WYGC2011 after round 4

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(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[3x600 byo-yomi]
GN[World Youth Championship under 12 board 1 round 1]PW[Yuanpei Liao]PB[Aeron Ye]WR[5d]BR[4d]DT[2011-08-13]PC[Bucharest, Romania]US[HW9x9]
;B[pp]
;W[pd]
;B[dq]
;W[dd]
;B[co]
;W[nq]
;B[qn]
;W[pr]
;B[lq]
;W[qq]
;B[oq]
;W[op]
;B[np]
;W[oo]
;B[nr]
;W[pq]
;B[mq]
;W[or]
;B[nq]
;W[qo]
;B[pn]
;W[po]
;B[ro]
;W[on]
;B[rp]
;W[qp]
;B[pl]
;W[om]
;B[qi]
;W[ip]
;B[ir]
;W[qg]
;B[oi]
;W[im]
;B[lm]
;W[lo]
;B[mo]
;W[cj]
;B[jc]
;W[fc]
;B[nc]
;W[pc]
;B[ld]
;W[ri]
;B[rj]
;W[qh]
;B[rh]
;W[pi]
;B[qj]
;W[rg]
;B[cl]
;W[ce]
;B[ik]
;W[jl]
;B[jk]
;W[kl]
;B[lj]
;W[gq]
;B[mn]
;W[jr]
;B[rr]
;W[rq]
;B[sq]
;W[ol]
;B[pk]
;W[sr]
;B[ss]
;W[qs]
;B[jq]
;W[iq]
;B[jp]
;W[kr]
;B[io]
;W[ho]
;B[hn]
;W[jo]
;B[in]
;W[jn]
;B[go]
;W[kq]
;B[ll]
;W[hm]
;B[gn]
;W[gp]
;B[ch]
;W[di]
;B[dh]
;W[fi]
;B[fg]
;W[hi]
;B[eh]
;W[ei]
;B[hg]
;W[kk]
;B[lk]
;W[kj]
;B[cc]
;W[dc]
;B[db]
;W[eb]
;B[bd]
;W[be]
;B[cb]
;W[da]
;B[ob]
;W[gf]
;B[gg]
;W[id]
;B[ic]
;W[hc]
;B[jg]
;W[hb]
;B[ii]
;W[hj]
;B[ji]
;W[el]
;B[dn]
;W[if]
;B[ig]
;W[pb]
;B[hp]
;W[hq]
;B[bh]
;W[bg]
;B[gl]
;W[gm]
;B[fm]
;W[fl]
;B[hl]
;W[en]
;B[fn]
;W[dm]
;B[eo]
;W[cm]
;B[bm]
;W[bn]
;B[bl]
;W[cn]
;B[em]
;W[dl])

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(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[3x600 byo-yomi]
GN[World Youth Championship under 12 board 1 round 2]PW[Yuanpei Liao ]PB[Toramaru Shibano]WR[5d]BR[6d]DT[2011-08-14]PC[Bucharest, Romania]WT[China]BT[Japan]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pp]
;W[dq]
;B[do]
;W[co]
;B[dp]
;W[cp]
;B[eq]
;W[cq]
;B[dn]
;W[cm]
;B[fp]
;W[kq]
;B[mq]
;W[gq]
;B[dr]
;W[gp]
;B[cn]
;W[bn]
;B[cr]
;W[bp]
;B[dm]
;W[cl]
;B[iq]
;W[ip]
;B[jq]
;W[jp]
;B[kr]
;W[lr]
;B[lq]
;W[kp]
;B[jr]
;W[gm]
;B[ek]
;W[gk]
;B[cj]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Shibano likes knight's moves, he played a lot of them yesterday too
]
;W[dk]
;B[dj]
;W[el]
;B[dl]
;W[ck]
;B[bk]
;W[bl]
;B[al]
;W[bm]
;B[ej]
;W[em]
;B[fr]
;W[cf]
;B[bi]
;W[br]
;B[gr]
;W[qn]
;B[jd]
;W[nq]
;B[np]
;W[oq]
;B[op]
;W[mr]
;B[lo]
;W[pq]
;B[qp]
;W[qq]
;B[rp]
;W[rq]
;B[pk]
;W[om]
;B[lm]
;W[ok]
;B[pl]
;W[ol]
;B[pj]
;W[pm]
;B[rm]
;W[rn]
;B[lk]
;W[mn]
;B[mo]
;W[oj]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao made a sharp sound with that stone
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Shibano is unphased
]
;B[pi]
;W[oi]
;B[ln]
;W[kl]
;B[ll]
;W[ph]
;B[qh]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Shibano has 38 minutes
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao 49
]
;W[pg]
;B[qg]
;W[pf]
;B[re]
;W[ql]
;B[rk]
;W[li]
;B[jj]
;W[jm]
;B[nh]
;W[mg]
;B[il]
;W[im]
;B[hl]
;W[gl]
;B[jl]
;W[fo]
;B[ne]
;W[ng]
;B[le]
;W[ji]
;B[ij]
;W[ch]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Shibano is playing with his shoes under the table
]
;B[gj]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao is picking his teeth
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: now he loks like he is reading something complicated
]
;W[hj]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Shibano almost played a move, then put his stone back in the bowl instead
]
;B[hi]
;W[fj]
;B[hk]
;W[fi]
;B[dh]
;W[fg]
;B[cg]
;W[bg]
;B[dg]
;W[bh]
;B[ef]
;W[fd]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao yawns again
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: then gets up to look at other games in the room
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Shibano settles in to focus on the board
]
;B[fe]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao is not in the room, he stepped out a few minutes ago
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: He has 40 minutes on the clock, while Shibano has 28
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao is back
]
;W[df]
;B[eg]
;W[gd]
;B[fk]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao sighs, and then leans closer to the board
]
;W[gi]
;B[hj]
;W[hg]
;B[ed]
;W[ec]
;B[ee]
;W[dc]
;B[hf]
;W[if]
;B[he]
;W[hh]
;B[hm]
;W[hn]
;B[gn]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao is thinking about f6
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: he has almost played it twice
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: now he is looking at the upper left corner
]
;W[hq]
;B[hr]
;W[fn]
;B[fl]
;W[fm]
;B[ie]
;W[jn]
;B[jh]
;W[ih]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Shibano almost played a move, then paused to read deeper
]
;B[jg]
;W[kj]
;B[kk]
;W[ii]
;B[nn]C[Tictactoe [-\]: ah the famous halfmoves
]
;W[pc]
;B[qd]
;W[md]
;B[me]
;W[kc]C[Tictactoe [-\]: yes white must take a chunk out this upperside of the board
]
;B[mi]
;W[mj]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: almost m10 for Shibano
]
;B[jc]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: here instead
]
;W[oc]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: shibano has 14 minutes
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao 33
]
;B[qc]
;W[kb]
;B[ld]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao has left the room again
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: he is back
Tictactoe [-\]: game looks promising for white
]
;W[lc]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Many of the games in the room are finishing at once
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Us senior is playing Korea
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: US junior playing Russia
]
;B[mh]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao doesn't like that move
]
;W[lh]
;B[lj]C[maher140 [4k\]: will do it on the site
maher140 [4k\]: till then, good night, but i suppose afternoon for you
]
;W[ki]C[Tictactoe [-\]: yes i was wondering about that order
]
;B[nj]
;W[kg]
;B[mk]
;W[jf]C[Tictactoe [-\]: it's early indeed, but playing like that, no way ^^
Smochi [2d\]: o11 instead of m12 looked like it might work
]
;B[kf]
;W[ig]
;B[je]
;W[oh]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I missed something, trying to find it
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: this may not be the right move order
]
;B[gb]
;W[fb]
;B[gc]
;W[fc]
;B[nb]
;W[od]
;B[rl]
;W[sp]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: these are the two moves I missed a while back
]
;B[nd]
;W[nc]
;B[mc]
;W[mb]
;B[ma]
;W[md]
;B[ao]
;W[bo]
;B[mc]
;W[ge]
;B[gf]C[KsuXa [3k\]: f14?
KsuXa [3k\]: oh
]
;W[md]C[KsuXa [3k\]: g13 nex ws ko threat
]
;B[bs]
;W[ar]
;B[mc]C[Tictactoe [-\]: white rather plays g13 to be his kothreat
]
;W[gg]
;B[ff]
;W[md]
;B[de]
;W[ce]
;B[mc]
;W[lb]
;B[oe]
;W[ob]
;B[oa]
;W[na]
;B[lf]
;W[lg]
;B[nb]
;W[md]
;B[so]
;W[sq]
;B[mc]
;W[na]
;B[pb]
;W[md]
;B[qb]
;W[mc]C[baduk4life [1d\]: ?
KsuXa [3k\]: w alie
kasi [5d\]: still weird moves
]
;B[ro]
;W[fh]
;B[nb]
;W[jb]C[KsuXa [3k\]: oO
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: order could be wrong
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: they are playing very fast, and then I had to cacth up
]
;B[ib]
;W[na]C[KsuXa [3k\]: why play ko dunno
kasi [5d\]: alive anyway
kasi [5d\]: can connect
kasi [5d\]: or live after k19
KsuXa [3k\]: m19 and all fair
baduk4life [1d\]: no
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: sorry guys, I am totally lost
kasi [5d\]: perhaps should j19
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: they just made ten moves really fast
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Iwill have to fix the record after the game
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: live video broadcast is up though, eurogotv.com
kasi [5d\]: yeah w should j19
kasi [5d\]: b can h17 for ko
kasi [5d\]: but then there are two kos
kasi [5d\]: : P
kasi [5d\]: again
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white wins
kasi [5d\]: cool
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: shibano missed a big ko threat in themiddle
xDragon [-\]: k9?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: and lost the k10 group
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yeah
xDragon [-\]: that sucks
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: they were going fast
xDragon [-\]: apparently
johnny [6k\]: B L7?
]
;B[ap]
;W[aq]
;B[nb]
;W[ia]
;B[hc]
;W[na]
;B[cd]C[kasi [5d\]: yay j19
]
;W[bd]
;B[nb]C[kasi [5d\]: h17
kasi [5d\]: : )
]
;W[ga]
;B[ha]
;W[hb]C[maher140 [4k\]: the room or site?
]
;B[bf]
;W[be]
;B[ha]
;W[na]
;B[fa]
;W[pa]
;B[da]
;W[cb]
;B[ca]
;W[bb]
;B[qm]
;W[on]
;B[ls]
;W[nr]
;B[ba]
;W[qa]
;B[ra]
;W[oa]
;B[rb]
;W[qf]C[maher140 [4k\]: oh, alright
]
;B[rf]
;W[km]
;B[ko]
;W[jk]C[maher140 [4k\]: :(
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: and white resigns
maher140 [4k\]: white?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: hi maher, it is shimari here
kasi [5d\]: well w was winning anyway
maher140 [4k\]: oh hey :) 
kasi [5d\]: b resign
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: i mean black, lol
maher140 [4k\]: lol :)
maher140 [4k\]: you're at the tournament shimari?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yeah, in romania
maher140 [4k\]: nice :)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: us team leader
maher140 [4k\]: having fun?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: you bet
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: our junior contestant beat russia
maher140 [4k\]: hehe ^^
maher140 [4k\]: i wanted to ask you a question about the starter set
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: korea beat the senior though
maher140 [4k\]: =.
maher140 [4k\]: =/
maher140 [4k\]: will pm you ^^
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: ok
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: do it on tm, I need to do tourney stuff
])

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(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[7.00]
GN[World Youth Go Championships]PW[Liao Yuanpei]PB[Chen Chi-Jui ]WR[5d]BR[6d]DT[2011-08-14]EV[Junior Division]RO[3]PC[Bucharest, Romania]WT[China]BT[Chinese Taipei]US[Paul Barchilon]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]
;W[dp]
;B[qk]
;W[fq]
;B[cj]
;W[fc]
;B[mc]
;W[cl]
;B[cg]
;W[ce]
;B[ej]
;W[mq]
;B[po]
;W[jp]
;B[qe]
;W[kc]
;B[mo]
;W[ok]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: live broadcast here: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
]
;B[pi]
;W[on]
;B[nm]
;W[pn]
;B[qo]
;W[op]
;B[oo]
;W[nn]
;B[mp]C[Tictactoe [-\]: stream is synchronised at this board
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: cool
]
;W[mn]
;B[lq]C[Tictactoe [-\]: hello Paul, thanks for the scribing
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: you are welcome
]
;W[di]
;B[ci]
;W[kn]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: hard to keep up with these kids when they start going fast
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I will do my best though
Tictactoe [-\]: the camera stil has a slight delay about one minute i figure
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: They gave us more bandwidth at the hotel today
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: hopefully it will be enough
Tictactoe [-\]: so this is another china versus taiwan contest
]
;B[cn]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yeah
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao just checked his clock
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: uncharacteristic for him
Redjoker [4d\]: w strong xD
Tictactoe [-\]: the game has developped nicely, although i feel black to be slightly favourite in this position
]
;W[co]C[Redjoker [4d\]: the right bottom corner has aji
Tictactoe [-\]:  a lot wil depend on how white can exploit the aji in the n3 stone
Redjoker [4d\]: yeah
Tictactoe [-\]: for example how to answer white q2
justdidit [1d\]: well  prefer black's shapes on the board
Tictactoe [-\]: after l6 white is fairly solid in the centre m4 might result in a shibori
sedy [7k\]: shibori?
]
;B[bo]
;W[bp]
;B[do]
;W[cp]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Korea just walked by to look at the competition
]
;B[dl]
;W[cm]
;B[dm]
;W[bn]
;B[dn]
;W[bl]
;B[dh]C[Tictactoe [-\]: both players have invaded the moyo at each side with solid groups, attention wil shift to the upperpart of the board now
]
;W[nc]C[Tictactoe [-\]: probably the heard the commentor ^^
]
;B[nd]
;W[mb]
;B[oc]
;W[nb]
;B[md]
;W[ke]
;B[ic]
;W[ie]
;B[gc]
;W[fd]
;B[he]
;W[if]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: live broadcast here: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
]
;B[fb]
;W[eb]
;B[hb]
;W[hd]
;B[gd]
;W[ge]
;B[ec]
;W[ed]C[Tictactoe [-\]: black missed something?
]
;B[id]
;W[hf]
;B[kd]C[Tictactoe [-\]: ah he cuts the O18 stones of the board
]
;W[jd]
;B[kb]
;W[dk]
;B[ek]C[Tictactoe [-\]: but white has worked on his ladder here during the fight on the upprside
]
;W[no]
;B[np]
;W[jb]
;B[jc]
;W[ld]
;B[ib]
;W[lb]
;B[ja]
;W[lc]
;B[ea]
;W[db]
;B[nj]C[Tictactoe [-\]: blacks tesuji have failed, white should be fairly ahead now
]
;W[nq]C[Tictactoe [-\]: and now white works the prementoined aji and starts exploiting that cuttingpoint on m4, he would be happy to get r6 in sente
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao has 40 minutes
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Chen has 31
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Chen has almost played m4 twice
]
;B[lp]
;W[oq]
;B[pr]C[Tictactoe [-\]: p3 m4 m5 l5 l4 m6 m4 m2 l3 , this would be an example of the possible shibori
Tictactoe [-\]: so m4 forstaal this nasty sequence and now we have a semedori on our hands
Tictactoe [-\]: white doesn't intend to safe them stones at o3 but intends to sacrifce them in excnage for outside strength-moves
Tictactoe [-\]: exchanging lettres make goofy words don't they
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: lol
Tictactoe [-\]: similar in go, if you make an exchange to late or to early, it gets a pretty mess ^^
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao doesn't look satisfied with his options
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: this is the first time I have seen him spend this long on a move
]
;W[dj]
;B[ei]
;W[ck]
;B[fg]
;W[bh]C[Tictactoe [-\]: he stil has a forcefull attack on this group on the left side
]
;B[bg]
;W[eh]
;B[fh]
;W[jr]
;B[lr]
;W[ch]
;B[eg]
;W[bj]
;B[go]
;W[mr]
;B[ls]C[Tictactoe [-\]: b10 looks way to small white had better played  at f8 
]
;W[nf]
;B[nk]
;W[pf]
;B[qf]
;W[ph]
;B[qh]
;W[oi]
;B[oh]
;W[pg]
;B[qi]
;W[oj]
;B[ol]
;W[ni]
;B[mi]
;W[nh]
;B[pl]
;W[lo]
;B[ko]
;W[ln]
;B[jo]
;W[kp]
;B[pp]C[Tictactoe [-\]: now we see why white is disappointed, if he could have made r6 in sente he could ommit 012 and cut at q8
]
;W[hp]
;B[io]
;W[im]
;B[ip]
;W[kr]
;B[or]
;W[hq]
;B[iq]
;W[ir]
;B[ho]
;W[kk]
;B[ik]
;W[ml]
;B[nl]
;W[lj]
;B[mj]
;W[ij]
;B[hj]
;W[ii]C[Tictactoe [-\]: hmm time to count the game before entering in byoyomi now
]
;B[jk]
;W[jj]C[Tictactoe [-\]: se says it's jigo, how funny
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: after komi, it is close
]
;B[jm]
;W[jn]
;B[jl]
;W[in]
;B[hl]C[Tictactoe [-\]: i think white is ahead by a couple of points
]
;W[kl]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: both boys are chewing their fingernails
]
;B[mh]
;W[mg]C[Tictactoe [-\]: yes it's so close one slip and this game is gone
]
;B[lg]
;W[lf]
;B[kg]
;W[hi]
;B[ki]
;W[kj]
;B[gj]
;W[qn]C[Tictactoe [-\]: i expected q18 here
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: sorry guys, lost it
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: they played too fast
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: live broadcast here: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
Tictactoe [-\]: if you pass me the controle i might make it from the stream
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: stream looks way behind
Tictactoe [-\]: yes, so i have plenty of time with a pause button 
GoKlaus [2d\]: yes, but that could be an advantage for ttt
GoKlaus [2d\]: its worth a try I guess
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: game should end shortly, I will have Liao enter the rest of the moves
donGoku [2k\]: SE says jigo, never seen this before :)
Tictactoe [-\]: due to the 7 komi nz-rules
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I am counting black up on the board, they are at move 222
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I lost count when they played 17 moves in 20 seconds, lol
Tictactoe [-\]: there passes judith with another camera
Tictactoe [-\]: oh these guys are so poluar on tv, give them a round of aplause
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: big ko fight in the upper right now
Tictactoe [-\]: \o/ \o/ \o/
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao won the ko fight you can't see yet
Tictactoe [-\]: suspense, tension rising
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: now they are fighting another ko
Tictactoe [-\]: we still have to see d10 on stream
Tictactoe [-\]: white was clearly counting the game before he started that variation
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white won
Tictactoe [-\]: then he sit relaxed with a hand under is elbow, to make sure he had enough points
]
;B[ob]
;W[eo]
;B[en]
;W[fo]
;B[fn]
;W[ro]
;B[rp]C[Tictactoe [-\]: so white knew that b10 was big enough to win the game, and didn't mind playing a small move
]
;W[rn]
;B[rl]
;W[da]
;B[ad]
;W[fa]
;B[gb]
;W[bd]
;B[ah]
;W[bi]
;B[ae]
;W[ac]
;B[ag]
;W[df]
;B[dg]
;W[be]
;B[af]
;W[bc]
;B[jh]
;W[gi]
;B[jf]
;W[je]
;B[me]
;W[mf]
;B[sp]
;W[oe]
;B[od]
;W[fi]C[Tictactoe [-\]: congratulation Yuanpei
]
;B[gp]
;W[gq]
;B[fp]
;W[ks]
;B[ms]
;W[ep]
;B[hm]
;W[oa]
;B[pa]
;W[ma]
;B[ka]
;W[pb]
;B[na]
;W[kq]
;B[nr]
;W[oa]
;B[qa]
;W[qb]
;B[na]
;W[qg]
;B[rg]
;W[oa]
;B[hg]
;W[ig]
;B[na]
;W[rf]
;B[re]
;W[oa]
;B[ih]
;W[gg]
;B[na]
;W[rh]
;B[sf]
;W[oa]
;B[hh]
;W[gh]
;B[na]
;W[li]
;B[lh]
;W[oa]
;B[ff]
;W[gf]
;B[na]
;W[fj]
;B[fk]
;W[oa]
;B[kf]
;W[le]
;B[na]
;W[hn]
;B[gn]
;W[oa]
;B[bm]
;W[am]
;B[na]
;W[hk]
;B[gk]
;W[oa]
;B[an]
;W[ra]
;B[bm]
;W[al]
;B[rc]
;W[bn]
;B[pa]
;W[qa]
;B[bm]
;W[sg]
;B[sh]
;W[bn]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: And there you have it, black resigns
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Yuanpei remains undefeated.
])

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(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[3600]OT[3x600 byo-yomi]
GN[World Youth Go Championships]PW[Liao Yuanpei]PB[Lee Ye-Chan]WR[5d]BR[4d]DT[2011-08-15]EV[Junior Division]RO[4]PC[Bucharest, Romania]WT[China]BT[Korea]US[Paul Barchilon]
;B[dp]
;W[pp]
;B[cd]
;W[pd]
;B[ec]
;W[cn]
;B[fq]
;W[bp]
;B[cl]
;W[cq]
;B[co]
;W[bo]
;B[dn]
;W[dm]
;B[cm]
;W[bn]
;B[em]
;W[jd]
;B[dj]
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;B[bd]
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;B[fe]
;W[eb]
;B[ge]
;W[dc]
;B[dd]
;W[gb]
;B[nq]
;W[qn]
;B[qf]
;W[qh]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Live broadcast here: http://EuroGoTV.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Welcome to the fourth round
]
;B[qc]
;W[qd]
;B[pc]
;W[od]
;B[oc]
;W[nc]
;B[rd]
;W[re]
;B[rc]
;W[qe]
;B[nb]
;W[mc]
;B[dr]
;W[dq]
;B[eq]
;W[mp]
;B[np]
;W[no]
;B[pq]
;W[qq]
;B[mo]
;W[lp]
;B[lo]
;W[kp]
;B[oo]
;W[nn]
;B[op]
;W[qp]
;B[ko]
;W[jo]
;B[lm]
;W[jp]
;B[po]
;W[qo]
;B[om]
;W[nm]
;B[nl]
;W[ml]
;B[pm]
;W[nk]C[Dai10 [8k\]: i dont mean to be insulting, but its funny to see the youth play (on cam)
moush [17k\]: is the stream skipping for anyone else?
]
;B[ol]
;W[mm]
;B[jn]
;W[in]
;B[jm]
;W[mk]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: really bad lag here
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I keep getting disconnected
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: recording in another file, and updating whenever I get back on
moush [17k\]: quality is nice though
]
;B[qr]
;W[pr]
;B[or]
;W[oq]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: this is the current board position
]
;B[io]
;W[im]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao won the nigiri, by the way, and chose white
Dai10 [8k\]: w looks ahead to me
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Lee has 34 minutes
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao has 52
]
;B[il]
;W[ho]
;B[ip]
;W[jl]
;B[kl]
;W[jk]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao has left the room
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: he often does this during a game, maybe to clear his head
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: he moves very quickly, but has won every game
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: he is back in the room now
Dai10 [8k\]: the camera is REALLY delayed
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: it was yesterday too
Dai10 [8k\]: liao JUST got up on my stream
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: at least you can see how young these kids are, lol
]
;B[kk]
;W[ln]
;B[hl]
;W[kn]
;B[km]
;W[mn]
;B[pq]
;W[ps]
;B[pi]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: lee has paused his clock, to go to the rest room
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: he has 24 minutes on it, Liao has 50
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: he is back
]
;W[qi]
;B[qj]
;W[rr]
;B[ph]
;W[pk]
;B[pj]
;W[ok]
;B[qk]
;W[ql]
;B[rl]
;W[qm]
;B[rf]
;W[iq]
;B[hp]
;W[jj]
;B[kj]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao left now, Lee paused his clock for him
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: this is kind of funny because Liao never pauses his clock
hajiwon: he has too much time to spare
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: lol
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: here he comes
]
;W[ji]
;B[ki]
;W[jh]
;B[hc]
;W[kh]C[Dai10 [8k\]: o13/g11 areas IMO
]
;B[jc]C[Dai10 [8k\]: 8k talking
]
;W[kd]
;B[mb]C[Dai10 [8k\]: o13 looking good...
]
;W[bc]
;B[lc]
;W[me]
;B[ld]
;W[le]
;B[gi]C[Dai10 [8k\]: g11! woot +1 for me
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: gratz dai10
Dai10 [8k\]: within 10 moves is TOTALLY calling it on time
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Lee is counting
Dai10 [8k\]: how can you tell?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: his lips and fingers move
]
;W[gh]
;B[hh]
;W[hi]C[Dai10 [8k\]: YES
]
;B[gj]
;W[gg]
;B[fh]
;W[fg]
;B[eg]C[hajiwon: f11 g9?
]
;W[fi]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: good call
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: lee has 13 minutes
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: liao 41
Dai10 [8k\]: how long is byo yomi period?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 3 periods of ten minutes
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 2 point penalty for using each period
hajiwon: b might resign soon
Dai10 [8k\]: is that penalty common? ive never heard of it
Dai10 [8k\]: then again ive never played in setting like this
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: it is the Ing Time Purchasing system
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: common in Ing Games
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: which this is
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: the Ing Foundation has paid to bring all 22 of these kids, and their team leaders, to Romania
]
;B[eh]
;W[gk]C[Dai10 [8k\]: wow!
]
;B[fj]
;W[hk]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: they have done this for 28 years
]
;B[hn]
;W[hq]
;B[hm]
;W[cr]
;B[hg]
;W[ad]
;B[ae]
;W[ac]
;B[bf]C[hajiwon: over..
]
;W[ak]
;B[bk]
;W[bm]
;B[bl]
;W[kc]
;B[kb]
;W[md]
;B[lb]
;W[pg]
;B[pf]
;W[og]
;B[qg]
;W[of]
;B[lh]
;W[lg]
;B[mg]
;W[mh]
;B[li]
;W[ig]
;B[hj]
;W[ik]
;B[kg]
;W[lf]
;B[id]
;W[hf]
;B[ii]
;W[ie]
;B[he]
;W[if]
;B[se]
;W[al]
;B[aj]C[Dai10 [8k\]: lol
]
;W[am]
;B[bj]
;W[nh]C[Dai10 [8k\]: l2?
]
;B[gq]
;W[rm]
;B[hr]
;W[ir]
;B[is]C[hajiwon: wow.. b had tenacity 
]
;W[js]
;B[gs]
;W[hs]
;B[cs]
;W[kr]
;B[is]
;W[er]C[hajiwon: ??
]
;B[es]
;W[ds]
;B[rs]
;W[qs]C[Becubio [9k\]: ???????
Dai10 [8k\]: kamakaze!
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Sorry, got lost
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: they played 10 moves in 7 seconds
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I can't keep up with that, lol
hajiwon: i think i know e correct sequence
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao will fix the record for us as soon as he finishes
hajiwon: nice
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: they are on move 231 now
hajiwon: who won the ko?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: liao
hajiwon: okay thx.. liao should win this game
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I count him around 121 with komi
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Lee around 98
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: move 272 now
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: lee looks like he is thinking about resigning
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: he just did
hajiwon: game was over at g9 basically 
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: liao is now showing him how he could have won
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I will ask him to fix record now
]
;B[dr]
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;W[ds]
;B[os]
;W[ss]
;B[dr]
;W[br]
;B[fl]
;W[ds]
;B[sk]
;W[fk]
;B[ek]
;W[ih]
;B[hi]
;W[fs]
;B[db]
;W[cb]
;B[gf]
;W[ib]
;B[hb]
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;B[ga]
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;B[mi]
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;B[ja]
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;B[ri]
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;B[rk]
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;B[oj]
;W[jc]
;B[ia]
;W[hs]
;B[nj]
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;B[is]
;W[gp]
;B[go]
;W[hs]
;B[je]
;W[ke]
;B[is]
;W[in]
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;W[hs]
;B[gc]
;W[fb]
;B[is]
;W[ep]
;B[fp]
;W[hs]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: there were a few more moves, but that is all he remembers
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: thanks for watching everyone
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: come back for round 5 this afternoon
windmill [2d\]: ty
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yw
sweety [-\]: thank you EuroGoTV3~
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: hey sweety
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: you stayed up late for us, lol
sweety [-\]: \o/
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: these kids are sooooo cute
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: did you see the video feed?
sweety [-\]: not today's but saw yesterday :)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: we will try to do a video interview with the kids later
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Liao is a great kid, full of joy and bouncing off the walls
sweety [-\]: look forward to it~ :)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Aaron won again today
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Vincent has a tough match with Singapore though
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I will go look and see who is winning...
joenosai [5k\]: this one is still going?
])

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(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[3x600 byo-yomi]
GN[ World Youth Championship under 16 board 1]PW[Jie Ke]PB[Sang-Hun Song]WR[2p]BR[4d]DT[2011-08-13]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]WT[China]BT[Korea]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]
;W[dq]
;B[co]
;W[cj]
;B[gp]
;W[ep]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
]
;B[cl]
;W[cp]
;B[do]
;W[eo]
;B[en]
;W[fn]
;B[em]C[coarray [-\]: 柯洁2P
]
;W[go]
;B[ip]
;W[hp]C[ElAlmaZen [7k\]: hi
ElAlmaZen [7k\]: how old are they players?
coarray [-\]: Jie Ke is 3P now
pastlink [1d\]: under 16
goldtree11: 12 and 15 I believe
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: www.wygc2011.com 
ElAlmaZen [7k\]: oh
ElAlmaZen [7k\]: thanks
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you can find everything there
Adante [1k?\]: 12 year old 2 dan pro, nice
Adante [1k?\]: or 3p, even
play234 [-\]: sick
ElAlmaZen [7k\]: why do I play Go?
Lacrimosa [?\]: because you're addicted
WenHui [8k\]: go is the best board game :)
coarray [-\]: he was born in 1997
Adante [1k?\]: Go is like playing with marbles, without feeling silly about it
]
;B[hq]
;W[ho]C[ElAlmaZen [7k\]: if there are 1 dan at 12 means we older kyus are really stupid
]
;B[dp]C[thiMan [2k?\]: lol
dxxd [-\]: it means you should think about the whole thing once again
Adante [1k?\]: it's more practicion and experience than intelligence
puripuri [6k\]: 4d can beat 3p without handi?
Adante [1k?\]: with a slight bit of talent, that would help, too 
coarray [-\]: 1997 September 
]
;W[bq]C[WenHui [8k\]: if we just start playing go, can we catch up the pros?
ElAlmaZen [7k\]: no high dans comments for these games?
alcoholize [4d?\]: if you're 5 years old maybe
blob [5k\]: yeah, I7m getting old but i'm only 1 years old in go years
ElAlmaZen [7k\]: i miss GuoJuan lectures
Adante [1k?\]: there are enough 14 y/o's on KGS who want to become pro, it's cute
WenHui [8k\]: i'm already 18 :(
]
;B[bp]
;W[cq]C[Nidalee [3d\]: I'm 20 (
ManOfLOL [5k\]: me too blob
]
;B[gq]C[Himiko [1k\]: 5k in 1 year of go is very good blob!
thiMan [2k?\]: im 14
ManOfLOL [5k\]: 1 year and 2 months to be exact
thiMan [2k?\]: what?
thiMan [2k?\]: i play about 10 month
Adante [1k?\]: someone said that talent matures late, if that is any comfort ;)
thiMan [2k?\]: hehe
]
;W[eq]C[ManOfLOL [5k\]: i started last june
Adante [1k?\]: and that someone is a Japanese pro
ElAlmaZen [7k\]: oh e3 
ManOfLOL [5k\]: had 5 months of inactivity after ;)
ElAlmaZen [7k\]: I though it was safe
ElAlmaZen [7k\]: anyone is reading this?
dxxd [-\]: it was "great talents mature late"
]
;B[io]C[Adante [1k?\]: you're taking away hope, dxxd
ElAlmaZen [7k\]: J3 is safe but E3 wasnt
coarray [-\]: there is little kids like him in Western country
play234 [-\]: surprised that korea doesn't have stronger representatives
blob [5k\]: i have a great talent for maturing late, at least
dxxd [-\]: the opposite!
]
;W[kp]C[thiMan [2k?\]: l4?
thiMan [2k?\]: kinda strange
WenHui [8k\]: seems not really good for w isn't it?
Nino [1d\]: i like it
blob [5k\]: k3 l3 ...then what?
Adante [1k?\]: but you're right, dxxd, do you happen to know who said it?
imtootired [2k\]: i've no idea my judgemenet fails in this position
Himiko [1k\]: judging from video feed it appears sponsors include a wine company, which is funny for a juniors' tournament
imtootired [2k\]: :D
]
;B[mp]C[Nidalee [3d\]: Well the sponsor is probably not a junior, so..)
]
;W[kn]
;B[im]
;W[kl]C[thiMan [2k?\]: i dont like w
blob [5k\]: g8
Himiko [1k\]: maybe the message is that we older ones should use wine to soften our sadness at not being the talented juniors in the tournament
imtootired [2k\]: or rather since you already los your youth, why bother resisting hte booze
imtootired [2k\]: :DD
]
;B[jq]
;W[kq]
;B[fm]C[Nidalee [3d\]: My uncle used to say something like that. Now he's an alcoholic.
]
;W[qo]C[ManOfLOL [5k\]: im sorry nidalee :(
coarray [-\]: there is no raining environment in Western
Nidalee [3d\]: It's ok.
imtootired [2k\]: yes that was a joke on alcoholism
imtootired [2k\]: sorry :D
ManOfLOL [5k\]: :D
ManOfLOL [5k\]: i was afk sooooo.....
coarray [-\]: there is no training environment in Western
]
;B[lm]C[Nidalee [3d\]: The big 9d is watching
ManOfLOL [5k\]: if your parents are asian there is
WenHui [8k\]: m6 
watayasu [4k\]: good timing 
]
;W[ln]C[Tator [5k?\]: how come the moves are being played before i see it played in the live video feed...
coarray [-\]: go desert 
aszer: live video is dead
hockey [2d\]: what is this tournament?
thiMan [2k?\]: the internet is faster then the video camera
Tator [5k?\]: so what am i watching exactly..
Dupaaxe [?\]: some laag i think :)
hockey [2d\]: where is this tournament also?
thiMan [2k?\]: 10 sec after the live video
imtootired [2k\]: well just consider the position. let's say there's 1 person wit 2 laptops and a camera
juhuhu: It's in Bucharest - Romania
imtootired [2k\]: he is using 1 laptop to place the move on KGS, and the 2nd laptop gets the videofeed from the camera and streams it online
imtootired [2k\]: so if you assume it's possible there's a delay - lag, which would you think takes longer time?
Tator [5k?\]: the delay seems pretty bad
Tator [5k?\]: like a few minutes behind or more
WenHui [8k\]: strea,img i think
]
;B[op]
;W[mm]C[pastlink [1d\]: w very fast
blob [5k\]: m7 was so halfhearted :(
]
;B[cf]C[Tator [5k?\]: the 2p seems kinda bored and fidgety
Himiko [1k\]: I don't like Black's position at all. He seems pressed in on all sides.
imtootired [2k\]: im sure the video would stream faster, if the person would just click the moves very slowly
imtootired [2k\]: :DD
]
;W[fc]C[Nidalee [3d\]: B has 5 groups already =)
blob [5k\]: just like i'm a group too
]
;B[bd]C[tatat: like 5 groups for w too ^^
]
;W[cc]
;B[de]C[haltija [?\]: w needs an empty triangle
blob [5k\]: unempty empty triangle
profan [-\]: is d15 fast enough?
nidza92 [-\]: b is korean?
]
;W[ch]C[ManOfLOL [5k\]: yes
]
;B[ed]
;W[ec]
;B[cd]
;W[dc]C[thiMan [2k?\]: both of them are koreans, arent they?
scurge [5d\]: w chinese
ManOfLOL [5k\]: no
Tator [5k?\]: white is chinese
ManOfLOL [5k\]: w is chinese
]
;B[eh]C[WenHui [8k\]: Sang Hun Song is 4d AGA or what? :)
]
;W[ej]C[thiMan [2k?\]: oh they have there flags :D
ManOfLOL [5k\]: its unlikely to see a 4 dan korean in a tournament 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
thiMan [2k?\]: *their
Tator [5k?\]: lies. its not live D:
thiMan [2k?\]: XD
Dupaaxe [?\]: live + laaaag :)
]
;B[hn]C[coarray [-\]: Chen Cheng-Hsun also take part in
]
;W[dg]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he's kghin on kgs?
thiMan [2k?\]: live+laaag=10 sec of lies
hockey [2d\]: where can I find website for this tournament?
trnghia115 [10k?\]: noob
coarray [-\]: no
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: www.wygc2011.com
ManOfLOL [5k\]: im sorry who's noob? :)
play234 [-\]: thats so strange. the high bandwidth is like 10 minutes after the medium :S
hockey [2d\]: harry weerheijm is noob
Nidalee [3d\]: kghin playing in this championship?
blob [5k\]: the romanian internet is congested by all the botnets proxying through it...
coarray [-\]: no
hockey [2d\]: kghin is like 30 years old
trnghia115 [10k?\]: b 's kghin , right ?
juhuhu: b is korean
]
;B[eg]C[r0ln111 [4d\]: kghin too weak to come
]
;W[ef]
;B[df]C[r0ln111 [4d\]: no kghin is Chan Chi-Hin
]
;W[ff]C[blob [5k\]: kghin is stronger than this b, no?
seeblick [1d\]: the low bandwidth broadcast is much more up-to-date than the high bandwidth one
coarray [-\]: Chen Cheng-Hsun is 陈正勋
bensenseii [-\]: yes he is
bensenseii [-\]: but I believe that the hong-kong representative is stronger ?
Tictactoe [-\]: black shakes his head while looks across the table into the eyes of his chinese playingpartner
blob [5k\]: ah, right..
Ludmila [3k\]: not 30 y and stronger
]
;B[ee]
;W[ge]C[Tictactoe [-\]: black has felt that being surounded like this will put his group in jeopardy, and thus he fears a loss to come
]
;B[di]C[blob [5k\]: w's strategy is to cut yo up until ya cry
]
;W[cg]C[coarray [-\]: they all start playing Go under 9
playgo [2k\]: who is that girl with the camera ?
Olmi [2d\]: a girl with a camera
imtootired [2k\]: btw the website wideo description says "Sang-Hun Song Korea(w)"
Tictactoe [-\]: playgo concentrate at the board, stay focussed
playgo [2k\]: hm
playgo [2k\]: ok, is he really 2p ?
Tictactoe [-\]: yes he is
coarray [-\]: 3P now
trnghia115 [10k?\]: 2p vs 4d
]
;B[bf]C[imtootired [2k\]: sorry i was "Sang-Hun Song 4d Korea(w)" vs "Jie Ke 2p China" but this KGS window has Sang-Hun as black?
Olmi [2d\]: girl is she
]
;W[dj]C[coarray [-\]: up to 3P last month
]
;B[bc]
;W[bb]
;B[ab]C[antlion [2k\]: future world champ?
]
;W[ba]C[playgo [2k\]: dunno about that, the 2p seems to be distracted by the girl, he might lose his game
blob [5k\]: (w) means LOL in asia
Tictactoe [-\]: xixi
ManOfLOL [5k\]: this is a tournament so its an even game
]
;B[bg]
;W[bh]C[playgo [2k\]: ah, black is alive
coarray [-\]: no handi in tournament 
Unvite: black gote
playgo [2k\]: but white extremely thick
Tictactoe [-\]: no not yet, as expected black neds to live in gote, and that's why the chinese player knows he has the upperhand in this game
]
;B[gh]C[play234 [-\]: :O
playgo [2k\]: have to admit, did not expect that move
Tictactoe [-\]: black puts up a fight , to capture c12 group in case white strives for the kill
]
;W[gj]C[WenHui [8k\]: g14 ?
]
;B[ag]C[smartrobot [9d\]: which country holds this year's championship?
]
;W[gl]C[juhuhu: romania
Tictactoe [-\]: it's in bucharest rumania
smartrobot [9d\]: thanks
playgo [2k\]: kikashi before running
blob [5k\]: the winner gets to play count dracula
]
;B[gm]
;W[dl]C[blob [5k\]: (i hope there are no Romanians here)
Tictactoe [-\]: white j9 and p6 the kozak horde runs across the entire continent
]
;B[bk]
;W[gg]C[Himiko [1k\]: by the way, I couldn't help noticing that the UK was severely underrepresented in the EGC. What's happening with them?
playgo [2k\]: hm, no bamboo yet
Larrave [1d\]: not needed
coarray [-\]: 李钦诚 should come 
seeblick [1d\]: b9 was gote, it seems
]
;B[hg]C[playgo [2k\]: cut ?
]
;W[hh]
;B[fg]
;W[gf]
;B[hi]
;W[ih]
;B[gi]
;W[ii]C[int3r [4k\]: hm
Unvite: d7 soon?
]
;B[hj]
;W[ik]C[playgo [2k\]: is something gonna die, or is that a sacrifice ?
dhler [10k?\]: F9？
Tictactoe [-\]: j9 is the first kozak striking at the slow black soldiers
WenHui [8k\]: f10 ?
Tictactoe [-\]: they might make a narow live but the costs are high
imtootired [2k\]: kozak?
podshoppa [1k?\]: lol
podshoppa [1k?\]: kozák
Tictactoe [-\]: q16 starts to look lonely there isn't it
profan [-\]: is j9 defensive or attacking move?
Tictactoe [-\]: kozak cavalry rides on ma
Himiko [1k\]: yes, it looks like it is facing an approaching wave of white stretching from F17 to N7
Tictactoe [-\]: like in keima
]
;B[fj]C[trnghia115 [10k?\]: why not H9 ?
]
;W[fk]C[Larrave [1d\]: comes through the same
coarray [-\]: b dead
]
;B[gk]C[skakalkin [1k\]: are u sure
]
;W[hk]C[blob [5k\]: ko threats?
]
;B[gd]
;W[fi]C[dhler [10k?\]: resign
bvanh [4k\]: big mistake?
coarray [-\]: P is too strong
Tictactoe [-\]: hm g9 might be mistake i expected h9 first, oh wel this cuts it short, thx for watching black wil resign soon
blob [5k\]: g16 was rash
]
;B[hd]
;W[ie]C[skakalkin [1k\]: g18
]
;B[gb]
;W[gc]
;B[hc]
;W[fb]
;B[hb]
;W[db]
;B[he]
;W[hf]
;B[if]
;W[ig]
;B[jf]
;W[nc]
;B[oc]
;W[nd]
;B[pf]C[blob [5k\]: b seems angry now :D
coarray [-\]: blood kids
trnghia115 [10k?\]: e19 kill ?
]
;W[jd]C[int3r [4k\]: nope
Citronvert [1d\]: no
Tator [5k?\]: only if someone fills a19
metaperl [8k\]: e91 f19 d19 c19 then W cant make 2 eyes?
int3r [4k\]: that is two eyes
thiMan [2k?\]: yup
imtootired [2k\]: :D
metaperl [8k\]: :)
blob [5k\]: sure, just  wipe the b junk in the first eye
]
;B[kc]
;W[jc]C[seeblick [1d\]: l16 seems playable
floatcloud [3d\]: ke jie already strong pro
thiMan [2k?\]: l16 reasky
Citronvert [1d\]: l16 l18
WenHui [8k\]: but still alive h16 
WenHui [8k\]: l16 l18 k15 isn't it?
int3r [4k\]: k18 only move?
imtootired [2k\]: considering Tewari black playing F16 now would make A13 look even slower?  :D
blob [5k\]: w hates enemy frameworks it seems :D
thiMan [2k?\]: k18
floatcloud [3d\]: k18 is not an option
]
;B[jb]C[imtootired [2k\]: :DD
]
;W[kd]C[koticgood [4k\]: lmao
thiMan [2k?\]: HA HA
blob [5k\]: o14 would've been better imo
floatcloud [3d\]: b resign soon
skakalkin [1k\]: L16 would be better
seeblick [1d\]: I agree, k18 is certainly not on the way to victory
]
;B[kb]C[floatcloud [3d\]: obviously b is much weaker than w
]
;W[ld]C[pippo2 [9k\]: around m 14 ?
]
;B[mg]
;W[kg]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black resigned 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+r
coarray [-\]: P is stronger than D
floatcloud [3d\]: hahaha who is laughing now?????
skakalkin [1k\]: you do
toffee [3d\]: How strong are these youth players?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w is 2p
blob [5k\]: just watch and see?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black is 4d
toffee [3d\]: wow, didn't know Europe has pro young players.
coarray [-\]: 2P like KGS 9P
dima777 [3d\]:  who's playing?-eurogotv3
floatcloud [3d\]: k18 is like a move in handicap game
toffee [3d\]: 4d is kinda weak.
thiMan [2k?\]: 9d*
coarray [-\]: 2P like KGS 9D
toffee [3d\]: kgs 9d is like insei, no way 2p.
Karesim: if you are 2p you will not be 8d anyway
coarray [-\]: KGS top 10 at least
Karesim: smart robot is placed 11, he is 2p, right?
bensenseii [-\]: MilanMilan is 2p too
Karesim: yeah, placed 12
shinte [4k\]: w is <16 and pro?
floatcloud [3d\]: i am surprised Korean didn't send someone stronger
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: EuroGoTV3 couldnt broadcast
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: game will be uploaded later
floatcloud [3d\]: surely they have stronger
shinte [4k\]: now he escaped
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GN[World Youth Championship under 16 board 1 round 2]PW[Vanessa Wong]PB[Jie Ke]WR[5d]BR[2p]DT[2011-08-14]PC[Bucharest, Romania]WT[UK]BT[China]US[HW9x9]
;B[pp]
;W[dd]
;B[dq]C[Nation [4k\]: oh I win :D
]
;W[qd]C[Nation [4k\]: will*
]
;B[od]C[Iaru [2k\]: the pro takes black? something is wrong here
]
;W[oc]
;B[nc]C[xDragon [-\]: whats wrong is your knowledge of how tournaments work actually
Nation [4k\]: It's natural laru
Nation [4k\]: the strongest player doesnt always take W
Iaru [2k\]: thanks for the nice answer, dragon
]
;W[pc]C[xDragon [-\]: anytime
]
;B[cf]C[Nation [4k\]: :D
Iaru [2k\]: i know, nation, but there is a difference of more than 3 stones here
Wiggum [5k\]: oh man, I knew this would happen lol
Nation [4k\]: Doesnt matter
Nation [4k\]: I've seen a 3d go vs a 9d and the 9d took Black
Nation [4k\]: actually, I think I still have that sgf :D
usagi [1d\]: I thought pros weren't allowed to enter into amateur tournaments
]
;W[gc]C[Iaru [2k\]: well, it's a unfair game, but world isn't fair, is it?
Nation [4k\]: special occasion?
blitzing [1k\]: world championship is perhaps something different...
xDragon [-\]: isnt an amateur tournament though, its a youth championshop
]
;B[cc]C[Wiggum [5k\]: hmm
usagi [1d\]: amateur youths
xDragon [-\]: hes no older than 16 so he can enter
Wiggum [5k\]: interesting
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Nation [4k\]: ty egt
xDragon [-\]: matt you gotta come to club if youre leaving us tuesday
usagi [1d\]: Good
usagi [1d\]: I've been forgetting this variation lately
Wiggum [5k\]: :(
usagi [1d\]: Black's c14 is designed to provoke white d17
]
;W[cd]
;B[dc]C[usagi [1d\]: at which point black will finish the joseki in the upper right and extend to j17, which would then be considered an attack on white's f17 group
]
;W[ed]
;B[ec]C[usagi [1d\]: But I forgot what happens when white fights it by moving g17
]
;W[fc]C[usagi [1d\]: I hope white doesn't screw it up lol
]
;B[bd]C[Cassis0 [6d\]: f17 should be b16
]
;W[be]
;B[bc]C[xDragon [-\]: broadcast on the delay again?
]
;W[nd]C[TheFuture [8k\]: This message is to EuroGoTV1: When are the Murugandi reviews gonna start back up?
]
;B[ce]C[usagi [1d\]: Yeah it looks weird, thanks cassis0
]
;W[md]C[Iaru [2k\]: the pro looks uninterested in the game. i hope he loses, lol
]
;B[qj]C[Nation [4k\]: hm
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Murugandi back first monday after this tournament
dirtymove [1k\]: good move
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: TV broadcast delayed again?
xDragon [-\]: yes
cjr [-\]: so, why is a pro playing Vanessa?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: :-(
xDragon [-\]: its on move 5 on the broadcast
cjr [-\]: maybe has been asked already
xDragon [-\]: its a tournament...
Nation [4k\]: Something like this is bound to happen 
]
;W[nq]
;B[or]C[Nation [4k\]: hrm..
jsc [7k\]: why are they playing in such lighting....
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: tv stream good here!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Iaru [2k\]: the streaming is not delayed here
Nation [4k\]: same
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: great
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am so gl;ad
xDragon [-\]: its delayed for me
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: refresh and take a smaller stream
xDragon [-\]: apparently its only delayed on high bandwidth
xDragon [-\]: its current on medium
]
;W[jp]
;B[lq]C[Nation [4k\]: hrm
Nation [4k\]: 2p ruthless :/
genki: is world tour championship all the best young players or just those each country selected?
]
;W[lp]
;B[mp]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: the best of each part of the world
TheFuture [8k\]: when does this tournament end?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: wednesday
]
;W[mq]
;B[np]C[TheFuture [8k\]: thanks :)
sweetbliss: which are the parts. how many from each part play?
genki: I though korean had professional players as young as 9 year old?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: info see http://wygc2011.com
qqq: l3 seems to work
]
;W[lr]
;B[kq]
;W[oq]
;B[pq]
;W[op]
;B[oo]
;W[nr]
;B[ns]
;W[mr]
;B[kr]
;W[pr]
;B[qr]
;W[os]
;B[no]
;W[kp]
;B[iq]C[xDragon [-\]: so b is 13
]
;W[ip]
;B[hq]C[cjr [-\]: Q5 would be nice, but doesn't look as if w has time
Longshi [?\]: r3 seems necessary
cjr [-\]: maybe just cut and hope :)
threeoone [6k\]: these k4 stones are disgusting
cjr [-\]: R3 doesn't work though, b just eats?
]
;W[rr]
;B[rq]
;W[qs]
;B[qq]C[Longshi [?\]: doesn't matter, w needs to stop b from playing r1 
cenalexis [2k\]: how old is vanessa wong and jie ke?
Longshi [?\]: like that is nice too^^
genki: Fujisawa Rina is 12 year old I believe and should be Japanese strongest under 16, she did break Cho Chikun record last year:)
Iaru [2k\]: Jie Ke is 13?
cjr [-\]: cut left at Q5?
xDragon [-\]: b is 13, w is 15
threeoone [6k\]: lets discard the
Iaru [2k\]: wow
cenalexis [2k\]: but black is pro?
Tsuijin [2d\]: white has his 3 poits
cjr [-\]: Q5 seems fine
Tsuijin [2d\]: *points
phufool [3k\]: anyone know the average income for go pros?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
threeoone [6k\]: b had no real need to answer s2 isnt it ?
]
;W[pk]C[cenalexis [2k\]: jie ke a 13 year old pro?
xDragon [-\]: you cant really make an income from go until ~5p
Lilltiger [-\]: phufoo: it's realy low
xDragon [-\]: only the top players make any real money
phufool [3k\]: oh :\
Lilltiger [-\]: and they dosent even make "real" money
Lilltiger [-\]: not like por's in other sports
Lilltiger [-\]: pro's
phufool [3k\]: i guess it cant really be a main career lol
cjr [-\]: but actually teacheres can make ok money too, even if they are only about 5-6d amateur (usually 7d+ on kgs)
threeoone [6k\]: go is for the poor 
]
;B[qk]C[xDragon [-\]: cornel teaches go as a profession, but he dabble sin poker too
phufool [3k\]: yeah
Lilltiger [-\]: sure they can make a living, or a nice extra income, but you will never get rich on go
cjr [-\]: in China a teaching career can be a quite nice and relaxing career, compared to lots of other types of work
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i became rich from go
cjr [-\]: but of course, it takes other skills as well
phufool [3k\]: really EuroGoTV1? o_O
Iaru [2k\]: well, their work is a hobby, so i guess they're happy
Lilltiger [-\]: and the living cost in chine is quite low as well :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but not moneywise
phufool [3k\]: ah...
Lilltiger [-\]: china
phufool [3k\]: rich with wisdom?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
cenalexis [2k\]: by being payed in showing games?
phufool [3k\]: haha
Iaru [2k\]: q7 now?
mcblitzy [2k\]: whats the reason for there being so few countries participating in this tournament?
cenalexis [2k\]: i mean does broadcasting in kgs gives money?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
cenalexis [2k\]: i c
]
;W[pl]
;B[pj]C[threeoone [6k\]: aaarrgghh
threeoone [6k\]: w is split and lost
cenalexis [2k\]: then its just voluntary?
threeoone [6k\]: one cannot play this
cenalexis [2k\]: q5
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: there is no cut at Q5 for white as black always can live by throwing in at s1
Iaru [2k\]: r8 
threeoone [6k\]: s4 doesnt work the cut is not there
cenalexis [2k\]: oh i c
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: because of the aji from Bo1
]
;W[pn]
;B[po]C[sweetbliss: w may just be trying 2get r8
cjr [-\]: yes, you are right, so actually black is kind of thick
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, very
threeoone [6k\]: sry i leave this alone my teeth is aching
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: gl
adsf [2d\]: I'm not used to result chart but what does -11 and 10 mrean in the R1, R2 colum in the website you gave us Euro?
]
;W[nk]
;B[oj]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: -11 means lost to player 11
]
;W[ql]
;B[rs]
;W[ss]
;B[ok]C[adsf [2d\]: ah I see, thanks alot
Warfreak2 [4d\]: gooooo vanessa!
]
;W[ol]
;B[nl]
;W[nm]
;B[ml]
;W[mm]
;B[lm]C[adsf [2d\]: this look hard for w here
]
;W[ll]
;B[mk]C[SSBMeta [11k\]: why didn't she connect at O8
SSBMeta [11k\]: earlier
]
;W[ln]
;B[km]
;W[mn]
;B[mj]C[Cassis0 [6d\]: poor w
TheLimper [13k\]: Where are these players from?
]
;W[ms]C[Iaru [2k\]: china and uk
TheLimper [13k\]: ok, thanks
adsf [2d\]: Im not sure but R8 seemed greedy by w
Aur [1d\]: n1 seems
]
;B[rn]C[Aur [1d\]: um
]
;W[qn]C[Remina [4d\]: what?
]
;B[rl]C[Aur [1d\]: why did w n1?
adsf [2d\]: would be funny if b died here~
Nayel [4k\]: cuz n1 is need to prevent s3 life
Longshi [?\]: n1 to keep b from capturing s2 
adsf [2d\]: w threatens b this way
oneye [4k\]: toaur it's to leave the aji
Dupaaxe [?\]: w s6 and was dead I think
oneye [4k\]: if black play t2
adsf [2d\]: s5 now work?
Lilltiger [-\]: no
Iaru [2k\]: what happens if s5?
Lilltiger [-\]: s5 s7 r5 t3 s1 t5 
Longshi [?\]: s5 s7 r5 t3 q1 t5 
Iaru [2k\]: i see
Cassis0 [6d\]: see the light variation between lilltiger and longshi sequence
]
;W[ro]
;B[rm]C[Longshi [?\]: lol :p
sweetbliss: anyone else having connection trbls?
Lilltiger [-\]: q1 better
ShapeMaker [4k\]: t5 
Lilltiger [-\]: less aji for later
Lilltiger [-\]: :)
Nayel [4k\]: t5 here ?
]
;W[jm]C[kabradarf [2d\]: but t5 and its ko for life no?
]
;B[kn]C[ShapeMaker [4k\]: seemed so
Longshi [?\]: t5 for w you mean ?
ShapeMaker [4k\]: yes
Lilltiger [-\]: t5 t3 
Lilltiger [-\]: t3 is sente
Longshi [?\]: t5 r5 t3 t4 
Cassis0 [6d\]: b is like a wolf in the sheep barn 
ShapeMaker [4k\]: right... t5 t3 q1 r5
Cassis0 [6d\]: in this championship
Longshi [?\]: true ^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Iaru [2k\]: W is way behind already, no?
kabradarf [2d\]: black play fast and put a lot of problem...
Lilltiger [-\]: Casses0: alone, crazed and biting all around?
Cassis0 [6d\]: no just cold and killing silently
]
;W[jn]
;B[kl]C[Lilltiger [-\]: then you never seen a wolf in a barn
Cassis0 [6d\]: yeah I never saw one 
Cassis0 [6d\]: did you? 
]
;W[jl]
;B[kk]
;W[ko]C[Lilltiger [-\]: well seen a dag, and itäs pretty much the same
Lilltiger [-\]: they go completly wild
]
;B[fp]C[adsf [2d\]: can we call it a small success since b did lose most of the right side?
Cassis0 [6d\]: what's a dag? 
Lilltiger [-\]: dog
Cassis0 [6d\]: oh ok
Lilltiger [-\]: hmm why a, a and o isent even close on my keybaord 
Lilltiger [-\]: :D
Lilltiger [-\]: baord haha
]
;W[qo]
;B[sq]C[Cassis0 [6d\]: maybe I should have said a hyena amongst baby seals
Dupaaxe [?\]: :)
Aur [1d\]: b weak
Aur [1d\]: t4 is correct
Longshi [?\]: hyena amongst baby seals seems pretty difficult
Aur [1d\]: t3 b is dead
adsf [2d\]: w gamble ko?
Nation [4k\]: what?
Blaubaer [6d?\]: w cant play the ko now?
Longshi [?\]: I mean, not exactly the same environment is it ?
Lilltiger [-\]: does hyenas even live close to where you can find baby seals?
]
;W[jk]
;B[kj]C[Dupaaxe [?\]: B live I think 
Denniskutl [2d\]: which ko?
Nation [4k\]: b alive
Cassis0 [6d\]: because it had crossed all the desert to the beach 
adsf [2d\]: t5 t2 s1 q1 s1 is ko
Iaru [2k\]: B has territory, influence, W has 2 points and a weak group
Cassis0 [6d\]: and is tired and hungry 
Denniskutl [2d\]: t5 t2 s1 q1 s1 r1 is not ko
Cassis0 [6d\]: I saw that on a documentary :)
Lilltiger [-\]: ahh :)
]
;W[co]
;B[cp]
;W[do]
;B[fn]C[adsf [2d\]: maybe you should read it again its ko even if a lots of steps one~
Blaubaer [6d?\]: b is fast :-)
Lilltiger [-\]: wolves areent killers, normaly they never kill more then they need to eat, so being closed in a barn with alot of sheeps they go wild because they do not know what to do
]
;W[ep]
;B[eq]C[Dupaaxe [?\]: ?
]
;W[bp]
;B[bq]
;W[dp]
;B[cq]C[Longshi [?\]: I don't know if taking a dog as reference is a good idea though
Cassis0 [6d\]: they never hunt more what they need to 
]
;W[dl]C[Longshi [?\]: I mean, a dog usually has his food handed to him, he isn't in the habit of killing sheep
Blaubaer [6d?\]: depends Longshi
Nayel [4k\]: jie ke seems bored of this game ^^
Lilltiger [-\]: true, but i doubt a wolf would do any better as they are even more unfamilliar with it, and the dog was know to chace sheeps
]
;B[cj]
;W[fl]C[Lilltiger [-\]: well b has already won this
]
;B[kc]C[oneye [4k\]: yes no point for white...
wingnoll [6k?\]: t2 t5 miai
]
;W[jd]C[Dupaaxe [?\]: w need to kill to win
wingnoll [6k?\]: ^s1 t5
cenalexis [2k\]: white is beating a pro
kabradarf [2d\]: wow first time black dont play immediatly
Nation [4k\]: hm
]
;B[kd]
;W[ke]
;B[jc]C[rkda [5k\]: w has the honor of playing with a pro, reguardless of the outcome of the game, it is a victory for w
adsf [2d\]: well it's clear w want to kill here
Longshi [?\]: playing against a pro isn't difficult
Longshi [?\]: you just have to pay
]
;W[id]
;B[ic]C[blitzing [1k\]: that is just lecture - this is tournament game against pro!
Longshi [?\]: you can pay the pro to play a serious game against you though
Nayel [4k\]: to much aji for b
xDragon [-\]: if youre a high dan in europe youre bound to play with breakfast or catalin eventually
Nayel [4k\]: w will never kill this
]
;W[hc]C[blitzing [1k\]: ok longshi, but this is still diferent :-)
]
;B[mc]C[cenalexis [2k\]: black is not serious?
Nayel [4k\]: he is
Nayel [4k\]: he is just stronger
Nation [4k\]: eh, maybe not
]
;W[ld]
;B[lc]C[sweetbliss: but w not worried about f16 now
Nation [4k\]: nope
]
;W[jf]
;B[dh]C[cenalexis [2k\]: t5?
Jazzman [1k\]: where w point?
cenalexis [2k\]: white t5?
cenalexis [2k\]: white not white t5?
phufool [3k\]: lol
xDragon [-\]: t5 t2 miai for b for life
Nation [4k\]: look at the corner mate
sweetbliss: w too slow. d12 removed las chance
cenalexis [2k\]: oh
kabradarf [2d\]: its alive under?
Nayel [4k\]: for sur
cenalexis [2k\]: sorry i my readings are bad
Nayel [4k\]: take your time ^^
Nation [4k\]: :D we're all watching the game so it's fine if you get misreads every now and then
weiqiboi2 [1k\]: godofgo is in the video in eurogotv 2, playing with the girl on the top left corner
]
;W[nb]C[Xebo [4d\]: white played o18 
]
;B[mb]
;W[ob]
;B[hb]C[sweetbliss: u mean t3?
]
;W[gb]
;B[ia]
;W[qh]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
SqueezeIt [3d\]: :)
phufool [3k\]: haha
Bazilikan [1d\]: Is there a link about this event?
qqq: w never doesn't  have a chance
Nayel [4k\]: yes
Engraze [5k\]: t5 t2 s1 q1 r1 s1 t2
kabradarf [2d\]: p18 o18 j18
]
;B[pg]
;W[ph]
;B[qg]
;W[oh]C[sweetbliss: t2 then t2?
]
;B[rh]C[SqueezeIt [3d\]: wygc2011.com bazilikan
]
;W[ri]
;B[rf]
;W[sh]
;B[rg]
;W[qi]C[Engraze [5k\]: oops xD
]
;B[og]
;W[nh]C[phufool [3k\]: i hope w kills that =x
SqueezeIt [3d\]: yeah :D
]
;B[ng]C[Bazilikan [1d\]: thanks squeeze
SqueezeIt [3d\]: np
]
;W[mh]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: is b chinese?
NDakota [3k\]: t5 t2 s1 q1 r1 s1 t2 q1 and w will lose
adsf [2d\]: somehow I have a feeling this should die?
xDragon [-\]: thats a chinese name yes
xDragon [-\]: dakota you played t2 twice
Nayel [4k\]: m15
]
;B[le]C[NDakota [3k\]: it is under the stones
]
;W[lf]
;B[mg]C[xDragon [-\]: but if b plays t2 and doesnt get captured how can w play there
NDakota [3k\]: ok  you're right
cenalexis [2k\]: i dont know how to play slow 
]
;W[lh]C[cenalexis [2k\]: even i have enough time to think i always play fast
]
;B[me]
;W[ne]
;B[mf]
;W[oe]
;B[lg]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
daft [3d\]: W is collapsing
]
;W[kg]
;B[kf]C[qqq: not collapsing, but b lives
zeb [5k?\]: q1 q1
daft [3d\]: is collapsing because the top and the right cannot connect
Xebo [4d\]: q1 too small
intheair [3d\]: t5 ko
]
;W[so]C[Goreon [2d\]: l12 
Lilltiger [-\]: no
intheair [3d\]: not ko
]
;B[je]C[Lilltiger [-\]: t5 is not ko
]
;W[ps]
;B[jg]C[sweetbliss: considering w started this with an extension  and he'll end up with no gain from his sente....
SqueezeIt [3d\]: this exchange is terrible for w isn't it?
Liversucks [5k\]: w just dead=?
Goreon [2d\]: W lost a lotwith this ko....
idazuwaika [5d\]: playing vs pro not hard at all
]
;W[kh]
;B[if]C[sweetbliss: i missed something while typing away
idazuwaika [5d\]: just enter tournament where pros join too
daft [3d\]: no one is saying W played bad
Goreon [2d\]: so over
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B+R
sweetbliss: rnt u suppoosed to b neutral, Euro?
kabradarf [2d\]: amazing
xDragon [-\]: hes annoucing that white resigned
phufool [3k\]: i think thats what happened?
adsf [2d\]: surely top died too 
xDragon [-\]: B+R if you missed it. off to other games
])

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RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[3600]OT[3x600 byo-yomi]
GN[World Youth Championship under 16 board 1 round 3]PW[Cheng-Hsun Chen]PB[Jie Ke]WR[7d]BR[2p]DT[2011-08-14]PC[Bucharest, Romania]US[HW9x9]
;B[pp]
;W[dd]
;B[dq]
;W[qd]
;B[cf]
;W[dn]
;B[fc]
;W[ee]
;B[cc]
;W[cq]
;B[cr]
;W[cp]C[Nidalee [3d\]: If they're young enough, why not)
]
;B[er]
;W[dg]
;B[dc]
;W[cg]
;B[oc]
;W[pf]
;B[qn]C[Tictactoe [-\]: the videostream has a fair delaytime
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: owww, it was good this morning
Tictactoe [-\]: we see the players siting before the game started
sedy [7k\]: it would be strange if the game started and we didn't see them sitting
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol, i will stop and do a restart
Mocramis [3k\]: what is the age limit (not that i hope to participate, juste an information)
sedy [7k\]: in the title it states under 16
]
;W[fq]C[Tictactoe [-\]: see on top of the board under 16 it says there
Mocramis [3k\]: oops, not seen it :red:
sedy [7k\]: i'm like twice as old as that
sedy [7k\]: maybe if they'll hold a middle aged tourney i could join :)
Fukurokuji [2k\]: is b really 2p :))
]
;B[ep]C[Tictactoe [-\]: so this game is china versus taiwan if i am not mistaken
arbas [2k?\]: no it's a joke 
]
;W[gp]C[Tictactoe [-\]: i am afraid he is cyprus
hahohe [4k\]: who is there for europe
hahohe [4k\]: ?
Tictactoe [-\]: vanessa wong plays for the brittish flag
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: is eurogotv2 also behind in tv stream?
]
;B[fo]C[Tictactoe [-\]: yes
Fredda [8d?\]: white represented taiwan at wagc 2010
xevad [-\]: did he have a chance to play against chenns
zakatan [3k\]: how young are the kids?
playgo [2k\]: tv1 offline ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
Tictactoe [-\]: harry stries to synchronise the stream
Fredda [8d?\]: yeah he lost to chenns xevad
]
;W[dl]
;B[em]
;W[dm]
;B[iq]
;W[go]
;B[io]
;W[gm]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: back online
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
]
;B[gr]
;W[fr]
;B[fs]C[playgo [2k\]: nice, all 4 back online
StefanRadu [1d\]: hello harry, it was good to see you again yesterday. i appologie that we didnt talk but you looked busy. 
StefanRadu [1d\]: :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
StefanRadu [1d\]: how do you like romania by the lake?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i was totally stressed yesterday
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: great!!!!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am allways very fond on Romanian tournaments, but this is the nicest one ever
StefanRadu [1d\]: ive also been totally stressed, because i handnt had the time to play in the tournament^^ 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: nice people, nice place, good food etc
StefanRadu [1d\]: yeah, i really liked the place too. 
]
;W[pc]
;B[qh]
;W[nq]C[daft [3d\]: there seems to be some interesting aji left in the lower left corner...
joenosai [5k\]: hi shy, hi adoreme
daft [3d\]: h2 h3 g3 g1 d4 e3 e5 is something
]
;B[or]
;W[kq]
;B[nr]C[daft [3d\]: but at the moment it is small
]
;W[ip]C[pancake [4d\]: this is promising to be very messy
]
;B[jq]
;W[jp]
;B[kp]C[StefanRadu [1d\]: w verry agressive.
adoreme [-\]: fighting is good
StefanRadu [1d\]: as a matter of fact, both very agressive. small and mean. :)
dsfbvdfbdf: oh, this is in romania?
StefanRadu [1d\]: small is lethal in romania nowdays.^^
]
;W[hr]C[StefanRadu [1d\]: yeah, no vampires to worry about
playgo [2k\]: is it me or is black already in trouble
]
;B[hp]C[joenosai [5k\]: I wander how old each player is
]
;W[jo]
;B[hq]
;W[gq]
;B[gs]
;W[ho]C[dsfbvdfbdf: is catalin there?
]
;B[ir]C[Ferby [1k?\]: http://wygc2011.com/en/participants.html
StefanRadu [1d\]: catalin is the main organiser..
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, main orginizer
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ser
dsfbvdfbdf: cool
]
;W[ko]
;B[lp]C[dsfbvdfbdf: seems b more solid
]
;W[lo]
;B[mo]C[StefanRadu [1d\]: its hard not to like black.
AhSayuni [4d\]: Chen should be 12 or 13 by now
playgo [2k\]: white wants sente here ?
Ferby [1k?\]: Chen = 12
]
;W[mn]
;B[mp]C[adoreme [-\]: black needs sente here to prevent the cut on the leftno?
Ferby [1k?\]: Ke = 13
dsfbvdfbdf: who is the top seeded non-asian in this tourney?
AhSayuni [4d\]: but.. what's with the mis-match between the info here and on the website?
joenosai [5k\]: ok
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
bbred [4k\]: w d6?
MrZNF [4d\]: what cut adoreme
playgo [2k\]: tenuki looks fine
joenosai [5k\]: live broadcast meaning commented on?
bbred [4k\]: p6?
dsfbvdfbdf: tenuki disastrous
]
;W[lm]C[tezukazone [3d\]: p16 
]
;B[od]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: i prefer w 
AhSayuni [4d\]: "Sang-Hun Song 4d Korea(w) vs Jie Ke 2p China"
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live tv means live tv
joenosai [5k\]: w is going for middle development
dsfbvdfbdf: who is the top rated non-asian in this tourney?
StefanRadu [1d\]: b has alot of cash
]
;W[qg]C[StefanRadu [1d\]: catalin, but he is the main organiser:P
]
;B[ph]C[dsfbvdfbdf: lol i mean players
MrZNF [4d\]: so he's not in the tourney, bad joke
StefanRadu [1d\]: theres also an open tourney.. in wich cristian pop is playing
Ferby [1k?\]: hmm the match up seems oke on  \the website..:http://wygc2011.com/en/results.html
]
;W[nf]
;B[ld]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: because there is nigiri
bbred [4k\]: painful
bbred [4k\]: w is not getting the center
norge [2d\]: is it me or live tv is on lag
dsfbvdfbdf: i see 8 non-asians in the participants list
Ferby [1k?\]: still r12 stones seems 2 be over extenden form r6 
dsfbvdfbdf: half of who are romanian :D
]
;W[jd]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Europe only gets 4 places
bbred [4k\]: probly all desendents from gengess Kann
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: host country gets also some places
]
;B[kf]C[StefanRadu [1d\]: romanian 4k won agaist russia 1d^^
dsfbvdfbdf: ye i'm not arguing, was just wondering who has the best show at winning, from the non-asians
]
;W[le]
;B[ke]
;W[kd]
;B[lc]
;W[gd]C[jezebel [4k\]: Romans ppl comes to Huns?
]
;B[of]
;W[lf]
;B[qe]C[nidza92 [-\]: lol
dsfbvdfbdf: because the site doesnt state ranks
Ferby [1k?\]: wow fast play from the juniors
bbred [4k\]: w just lost
]
;W[kg]
;B[pe]C[Ferby [1k?\]: center is looking huge now
dsfbvdfbdf: b can still invade
bbred [4k\]: watch that space dissipear
dsfbvdfbdf: but does he have to
StefanRadu [1d\]: too big not to be invaded.
adoreme [-\]: territory is the ace these days
]
;W[og]
;B[pg]
;W[oe]
;B[qf]C[TurtleDove [5k\]: the picture on TV1 channelis not this board ?
dsfbvdfbdf: close off bottom
]
;W[pd]
;B[of]
;W[jr]
;B[hs]
;W[pf]C[playgo [2k\]: corner can live ?
dsfbvdfbdf: sente bigger than corner?
]
;B[pb]
;W[re]
;B[of]C[StefanRadu [1d\]: if w manages to win the ko.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it does turtle
RedMist [5k\]: is the live stream lagging for anyone else?
Ferby [1k?\]: hmm video feed is quite jerking at my end...
StefanRadu [1d\]: o5 valid threat for w
]
;W[ks]C[StefanRadu [1d\]: m3 first?
MrGuiGui [12k\]: On my computer the streaming doesn't seam to be in live ;)
RedMist [5k\]: :o
Uberdude [4d?\]: ignore!, trade a ko for ko
]
;B[ne]
;W[is]
;B[js]
;W[eb]C[playgo [2k\]: a moving ko
dsfbvdfbdf: ignore again :)
AhSayuni [4d\]: m3 must ignore
AhSayuni [4d\]: -m3*
]
;B[ec]
;W[is]
;B[co]C[Remina [4d\]: lol
StefanRadu [1d\]: take
AhSayuni [4d\]: must take?..
oneye [4k\]: ignore
RedMist [5k\]: :o
AhSayuni [4d\]: he has no threats I think
wade [5d\]: b is 2p he knows what he's doing
StefanRadu [1d\]: if w takes. and b custs.. w gets sente
MrGuiGui [12k\]: h2 bigger than the corner ?
]
;W[hr]
;B[bo]C[dsfbvdfbdf: 4d wins
tonyho [1d\]: w loses big
]
;W[li]C[RedMist [5k\]: the live stream is getting very annoying because it keeps stopping and going D:
playgo [2k\]: the corners are smaller than the center
oneye [4k\]: center is big
dsfbvdfbdf: now b 4 corners: 2 wins :)
dsfbvdfbdf: *w wins
Pinguschaf [?\]: is upper right really black?
oneye [4k\]: four corner are you sure?
dsfbvdfbdf: yes
Ferby [1k?\]: it aint really live now :)
Arctic [5d\]: r16 still undecided
oneye [4k\]: r16 can't live?
StefanRadu [1d\]: no
playgo [2k\]: r18 and ?
oneye [4k\]: if w r18
]
;B[hd]
;W[he]
;B[ge]C[oneye [4k\]: r18 s16 r17 p18 s17 
]
;W[hf]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sorry Redmist
dsfbvdfbdf: b wouldnt p18, he would s17
RedMist [5k\]: :((
josekimq [1d\]: r18 s17
]
;B[fe]C[MrZNF [4d\]: r18 s16 r17 s17 s18 s14 t17 t15 p18 
dsfbvdfbdf: exactly
StefanRadu [1d\]: simply f13 now?
MrZNF [4d\]: j16 looks painful then
AltTab [3d\]: f14 i guess
dsfbvdfbdf: f14 natural
oneye [4k\]: so r16 undecided for the moment
AhSayuni [4d\]: looks ko-ish
]
;W[gf]C[dsfbvdfbdf: bo so think, he can reduce to nothing
dsfbvdfbdf: w center will cry
]
;B[ff]
;W[fg]
;B[ef]
;W[df]
;B[fd]C[MrZNF [4d\]: looks like it, should be worth about 30ish points
]
;W[ce]C[MrZNF [4d\]: j16 biiig
]
;B[bm]C[MrZNF [4d\]: r18 too
nidza92 [-\]: j16 is nothing
MrZNF [4d\]: so many big points
Big2 [5d\]: I was just wondering why j16 is big..
MrZNF [4d\]: j16 k15 k18 and connect, also there is a lot of aji at e13
]
;W[bl]C[nidza92 [-\]: there is no aji at e13, if there would be aji w would play there himself and not c15
Big2 [5d\]: I agree
MrZNF [4d\]: yeah, good reasoning, 7d never make mistakes :)
]
;B[id]
;W[ie]C[bbred [4k\]: :P
MrZNF [4d\]: there you go
dsfbvdfbdf: "appeal to authority" reasoning
oneye [4k\]: j16 very big
dsfbvdfbdf: doesnt work in outrnaments
]
;B[nb]C[nidza92 [-\]: ;p
Big2 [5d\]: it was black's sente so why not
oneye [4k\]: q9?
bbred [4k\]: b gonna go for live in center?
oneye [4k\]: so r18 works before this move
MrZNF [4d\]: yeah, because b just played there, which makes r18 working :)
Koffein [-\]: r18 s18 was ko
hockey [2d\]: I don't believe b is really 2p
hockey [2d\]: I mean zeno is hungary
hockey [2d\]: and still not 1p
Ferby [1k?\]: b will not invade the center i think
MrZNF [4d\]: I am not hungary
TurtleDove [5k\]: W walls look very solid. I would be amazed f B can invade the left centre
MrZNF [4d\]: I am Zeno
hockey [2d\]: yes you are 
Ferby [1k?\]: can possible live there,
Ferby [1k?\]: *cant
hockey [2d\]: hungary zeno
ErgoProxy [6d\]: they are just kids. Maybe they are blitzing
norge [2d\]: he doesnt need to..just reduce is enough
bbred [4k\]: b 09?
pancake [4d\]: is Zeno hungary?
pancake [4d\]: maybe he should eat something
MrZNF [4d\]: I'm hungry, not hungary :(
Koffein [-\]: then he should russian to the kitchen
hockey [2d\]: oranje boven
Uberdude [4d?\]: zeno, your name is very cool
hockey [2d\]: ole ole ole
MrZNF [4d\]: thank you Uberdude
Big2 [5d\]: xd
dsfbvdfbdf: Zeno the warrior prince
pancake [4d\]: hahaha koffein
MrZNF [4d\]: Xena*
Uberdude [4d?\]: please pass my congratualtions on to your parents =)
MrZNF [4d\]: haha, will do :)
ErgoProxy [6d\]: ooh, they have girls taking the kifu?! won't that disturb the players :-)?
xevad [-\]: no
Remina [4d\]: they don't care for such things
hockey [2d\]: do little boys have hormones yet?
Big2 [5d\]: whats a good move now:S
jezork [3d\]: distract them with cooties.
norge [2d\]: q9 area?
Big2 [5d\]: ooh i was just thinking about this yea
Big2 [5d\]: ooh it was misclick 
Uberdude [4d?\]: q7?
jezork [3d\]: hhaha
]
;W[ic]C[Big2 [5d\]: :D
]
;B[hc]
;W[hb]C[oneye [4k\]: yes t11 works
]
;B[gc]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: something in that area
dsfbvdfbdf: the board is different on the stream
Uberdude [4d?\]: grow w middle and reduce b
]
;W[jb]C[pancake [4d\]: this was biggest?
]
;B[mk]C[MrGuiGui [12k\]: Is black really 2p ?
norge [2d\]: n9
dsfbvdfbdf: no he's just KIDding
norge [2d\]: this will be enough
pancake [4d\]: why would he not be 2p?
gogonuts [4d\]: "live" stream 30 mins lagging?
]
;W[lj]C[hockey [2d\]: aww
dsfbvdfbdf: live stream different bord, yes
gogonuts [4d\]: same board
gogonuts [4d\]: different time
hockey [2d\]: sorry for you gogonuts
MrZNF [4d\]: w seems ahead
hockey [2d\]: pay money for lag stream
Big2 [5d\]: lots of holes in p9 area, there is not a lot of territory to make I think
MrGuiGui [12k\]: DK just asking mate ;)
Uberdude [4d?\]: na stream is up to date
gogonuts [4d\]: its free
gnfgnvh [2k\]: i would l17 first then l12
Uberdude [4d?\]: the scribe just read very far ahead
gogonuts [4d\]: have to take what you can get :-)
hockey [2d\]: you get what you pay for then...
gogonuts [4d\]: or does it lag 30 mins if you dont pay? :-)
Big2 [5d\]: p9 maybe?
hockey [2d\]: maybe test it by paying money
hockey [2d\]: haha
]
;B[lk]
;W[kk]C[GoBlonde [6k?\]: l9 
dsfbvdfbdf: lol uberdude
]
;B[mh]C[TurtleDove [5k\]: time travel. soon we can phone the guys on the stream and tell them who won
Golan [11k\]: what is the link??
gogonuts [4d\]: yes many scribes can read
]
;W[nj]C[gogonuts [4d\]: this one just exeptionally good
GoBlonde [6k?\]: l8 
]
;B[lg]C[dsfbvdfbdf: lol the guys on board 3 are really tiny ^^
]
;W[lh]
;B[mg]
;W[jf]C[Remina [4d\]: you'd have to send a d-mail
gogonuts [4d\]: tiny mighty
GoBlonde [6k?\]: j6 
]
;B[kh]C[dsfbvdfbdf: and two white guys on board 2
]
;W[je]
;B[jg]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b breaking in
oneye [4k\]: strange move for b
gogonuts [4d\]: y
GoBlonde [6k?\]: not strange!
GoBlonde [6k?\]: read aheead
RedMist [5k\]: o.o
GoBlonde [6k?\]: i said l8 
dsfbvdfbdf: 2p reading...
Golan [11k\]: what is the live link?
GoBlonde [6k?\]: but was wrong timing
GoBlonde [6k?\]: this way is good, i think
clicisclic [10k\]: b was not leading just closing right side?
dsfbvdfbdf: why didn't w k13 himself?
dsfbvdfbdf: wanted M13 stones?
cscarlos [?\]: is  b  aiming to the group?
]
;W[kf]C[dsfbvdfbdf: but these are small
]
;B[mj]
;W[mi]
;B[ni]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
]
;W[oi]C[bbred [4k\]: o12?
]
;B[nh]C[gogonuts [4d\]: "live" broadcast you mean
]
;W[kj]
;B[nk]
;W[pm]C[GoBlonde [6k?\]: l8 
Ferby [1k?\]: cant you reset the stream Eurogo?
dsfbvdfbdf: live lagcast
norge [2d\]: no doubt that you are blond
gogonuts [4d\]: wind it forward :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: I will ask Harry to check the stream when he's back
wolokom [5k\]: devel
GoBlonde [6k?\]: o7  or p6 ?
RedMist [5k\]: :DD
bensenseii [-\]: b should maybe resign
gogonuts [4d\]: really?
RedMist [5k\]: lol why it isnt just about winning there is fun in play too
bensenseii [-\]: :0
RedMist [5k\]: playing*
gogonuts [4d\]: b has a lot of stuff too
hockey [2d\]: the players are playing so fast, that camera can't keep up
RedMist [5k\]: :O
Pinguschaf [?\]: i think b has no chance
bensenseii [-\]: yeah gogonuts
bensenseii [-\]: but
Ferby [1k?\]: tell that 2 ppl who are aiming at bieing pro... very loss hurts :)
]
;B[nm]C[Golan [11k\]: will it be another match after this one?
bensenseii [-\]: p10 is nice attack
bensenseii [-\]: I think b has no chance too
GoBlonde [6k?\]: yes o7 
hockey [2d\]: time to buy new camera
]
;W[nn]
;B[om]C[dsfbvdfbdf: w handled this well
]
;W[oj]C[GoBlonde [6k?\]: b is good
GoBlonde [6k?\]: w dies here
RedMist [5k\]: o.o
gogonuts [4d\]: bamboo
bensenseii [-\]: doesn't seem that good for b
slukk [1k\]: don't forget 7d ~ 1p
wolokom [5k\]: its too early but i would resign
bensenseii [-\]: bamboo and he loses his stones
norge [2d\]: n4 will die
dsfbvdfbdf: bamboo=resign
]
;B[ok]C[gogonuts [4d\]: oh, sry
SirWolfie [7k\]: p12?
bensenseii [-\]: o.o
Unvite: resigned?
bensenseii [-\]: sacrificing
dsfbvdfbdf: this doesn't look like pro play
RedMist [5k\]: :O
bbred [4k\]: w n3 seemslike funn?
dsfbvdfbdf: going back and forth with stones..
bensenseii [-\]: p12
gogonuts [4d\]: smart
bensenseii [-\]: hmmm
SirWolfie [7k\]: white cant capture 012 group?
kunpeng [2k\]: what does pro play look like?
daft [3d\]: you wouldn't know pro play if it bit you in the ass...
bensenseii [-\]: at least it closes in sente right ?
dsfbvdfbdf: pro play looks calculated
gogonuts [4d\]: w can capture
bensenseii [-\]: anyway, I still say he should resign
GoBlonde [6k?\]: both are pro
gogonuts [4d\]: but b takes the whole side if he does
bensenseii [-\]: o12 is dead :)
nidza92 [-\]: p12 is gote so b will be ok
bensenseii [-\]: yes
bensenseii [-\]: but can he win ?
dsfbvdfbdf: kupeng: pro skips creating a sacrifice group N12, and plays P9 directly
nidza92 [-\]: and q7 becomes waster stone, so b profits here
]
;W[oh]
;B[pj]
;W[mf]
;B[eg]
;W[eh]C[wolokom [5k\]: hoping for mistake
]
;B[fh]
;W[gg]C[dsfbvdfbdf: maybe
bensenseii [-\]: or he still thinks he can turn the tables
]
;B[dh]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: lower right is a lot of aji now, no?
]
;W[ei]
;B[di]C[bensenseii [-\]: yes
]
;W[ck]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: i'd p6 as b soon
daft [3d\]: yes. Q6 looks like it could be a problem
bensenseii [-\]: I'd q6
Ferby [1k?\]: all in for black now
MrZNF [4d\]: b losing, b trying
bensenseii [-\]: as w
gogonuts [4d\]: its close, isnt it?
donGoku [2k\]: is n2 good for w?
GoBlonde [6k?\]: j6 
daft [3d\]: I like W E6
gogonuts [4d\]: b b16
Ferby [1k?\]: well c9 is quite painfull
norge [2d\]: n3 will hurt black
bensenseii [-\]: w has more points
donGoku [2k\]: i mean n3, yes
MrZNF [4d\]: gogo, w has komi, and I think w winning on the board even before c9, now b gave away points here and it becomes even harder
]
;B[bh]C[MrZNF [4d\]: gotta get something with d12, some kind of semidori
]
;W[bg]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: someone call ilya shikishin
GoBlonde [6k?\]: f8 
]
;B[bj]
;W[dj]
;B[bd]C[dsfbvdfbdf: gote
]
;W[oo]C[bensenseii [-\]: heh
bensenseii [-\]: b should res, really
Uberdude [4d?\]: humiliation
GoBlonde [6k?\]: b sent his little brother to play for him?
daft [3d\]: ah, a bit less crazy than Q6
]
;B[ej]C[dsfbvdfbdf: b already the little brother ^^
]
;W[fi]
;B[cj]
;W[dk]C[MrZNF [4d\]: w don't need to get crazy
]
;B[ch]C[bensenseii [-\]: hmmm
bensenseii [-\]: oh
RedMist [5k\]: :O
GoBlonde [6k?\]: f9 
]
;W[ak]C[Jason0v0 [3k\]: feels like b die
MrZNF [4d\]: it reads like that too :)
gogonuts [4d\]: but b gained
]
;B[be]
;W[bf]C[MrZNF [4d\]: yes, but w got sente
hockey [2d\]: wow
Pinguschaf [?\]: how?
bensenseii [-\]: feels like nice yose for b
hockey [2d\]: is b really human?
dsfbvdfbdf: sente way bigger than what b gained
MrZNF [4d\]: w has to capture c12, but w got p5
daft [3d\]: B gained because W has to spend many moves to take him off
MrZNF [4d\]: yeah, but overall b didn't gain, because p5
GoBlonde [6k?\]: a13 
urgs [1k\]: w must kill black
bensenseii [-\]: now now
bensenseii [-\]: seems close but I still thinks w wins
]
;B[pi]
;W[ng]
;B[po]
;W[on]
;B[pn]C[GoBlonde [6k?\]: n3 
MrZNF [4d\]: o13 was bigger than a move on bottemright, really
]
;W[es]C[bensenseii [-\]: hmmm
GoBlonde [6k?\]: resign?
bensenseii [-\]: nice nice
Pinguschaf [?\]: sente?
Pinguschaf [?\]: b2
GoBlonde [6k?\]: resign in sente is good
bensenseii [-\]: I hope it is sente :O
bensenseii [-\]: then should capture n4
daft [3d\]: I thought just cutting off in the center with E6 was the right way to use the aji?
Moma [11k\]: i dont understand what happened...black dead in this corner ?
ennuistic [2d\]: why resign?
bensenseii [-\]: because losing
dsfbvdfbdf: resign shows repsect
GoBlonde [6k?\]: not dead
Ferby [1k?\]: w+10 atleast
GoBlonde [6k?\]: b3  to live small
hockey [2d\]: woh
hockey [2d\]: is b really human?
Moma [11k\]: okay
]
;B[lr]C[hockey [2d\]: I tihnk asian cyborg
]
;W[br]C[hockey [2d\]: or android
Pinguschaf [?\]: yeay
]
;B[dp]C[gogonuts [4d\]: uh oh
]
;W[cs]
;B[dr]
;W[ds]C[MrZNF [4d\]: this is huge
]
;B[bq]C[Ferby [1k?\]: the pain..
]
;W[eo]C[RedMist [5k\]: :o
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black seems quite stressed
GoBlonde [6k?\]: game over
Ferby [1k?\]: logical :P
dsfbvdfbdf: fake 2p
GoBlonde [6k?\]: poor boy
minoru19 [2d\]: Difficult
GoBlonde [6k?\]: please be nice
ErgoProxy [6d\]: this probably wasnt his best game :>
Pinguschaf [?\]: i would say w is a faked ama^^ 
GoBlonde [6k?\]: hes stronger and younger than you
gogonuts [4d\]: nice one
whuang [2k\]: You have no right to say that to a pro
Tendou [6k\]: f4
gogonuts [4d\]: those fake amas can really get you
GoBlonde [6k?\]: he probably has better manners too
whuang [2k\]: besides, he is stronger than you
daft [3d\]: don't feed the trolls
dsfbvdfbdf: luckily, i live in a country where i have the right to say whatever i want
GoBlonde [6k?\]: oh is a kid
daft [3d\]: just use the censor function and wait for an admin to kick him
whuang [2k\]: looks like your moving
GoBlonde [6k?\]: thats the most childish comment of the day
whuang [2k\]: lol
bensenseii [-\]: ...
whuang [2k\]: im 9 years old
bensenseii [-\]: would you stop arguing please
whuang [2k\]: i know
]
;B[fp]
;W[fn]
;B[do]
;W[en]C[GoBlonde [6k?\]: i mean dvs guest
]
;B[gb]
;W[ga]
;B[fa]
;W[ha]C[whuang [2k\]: ok
hyuend [-\]: wow nice 9 years old
GoBlonde [6k?\]: i think the admin should ban the guest for insulting the players
whuang [2k\]: just how they insulted Feng Yun 9p
dsfbvdfbdf: i think the admin should ban GoBlonde for insulting the guests
]
;B[kb]C[hyuend [-\]: haha
gogonuts [4d\]: w prob winning
Blaubaer [6d?\]: :-)
gogonuts [4d\]: but under 5 imo
bensenseii [-\]: oh god...
]
;W[kc]C[whuang [2k\]: GOD JUST STOP ARGUING!!
]
;B[ja]C[bensenseii [-\]: you're so annoying
]
;W[ib]C[clicisclic [10k\]: no way... let him be ridiculous commenting a game he absolutly can't imitate...
dsfbvdfbdf: w defended his centre
]
;B[ed]
;W[de]C[Slayan [5k\]: did the video lag?
bensenseii [-\]: hmmm
]
;B[ag]
;W[af]C[bensenseii [-\]: is that safe ?
]
;B[ai]C[gogonuts [4d\]: d15 ppossible?
]
;W[aj]C[bensenseii [-\]: seems to make a ko
go1d [6d\]: ???
bensenseii [-\]: ...
gogonuts [4d\]: risky
bensenseii [-\]: quite
go1d [6d\]: b has no threats
ErgoProxy [6d\]: w got tricked
Ferby [1k?\]: w had it in the doggy bag
]
;B[cd]C[bensenseii [-\]: yeah right
]
;W[ah]C[Slayan [5k\]: the game is at the beginning on the video
]
;B[fs]
;W[gs]C[faceless1 [2k\]: g11 
]
;B[ag]C[gogonuts [4d\]: i thought w would have a close win giving 2 stones
go1d [6d\]: but i don't see threats ...
]
;W[qb]C[bensenseii [-\]: b11
bensenseii [-\]: was local threat
GetStrong [1d\]: g11 is nice?
hockey [2d\]: are there two really humans?
dsfbvdfbdf: w has many more threats
oxia [16k\]: a3?
Greyish [1d\]: w could have avoided that for sure, he could afford to
Pinguschaf [?\]: b11 is a bad threat
Pinguschaf [?\]: b9 is better
Ferby [1k?\]: hockey dont roll
bensenseii [-\]: ok
bensenseii [-\]: ah yeah, i see
Pinguschaf [?\]: makes a terrible ko for w
dsfbvdfbdf: d15 connect strange
Pinguschaf [?\]: if b11
Blaubaer [6d?\]: i cant count center
bensenseii [-\]: right
go1d [6d\]: a15 
go1d [6d\]: then j19 ? :p
]
;B[rd]
;W[ah]C[Jason0v0 [3k\]: who fail in this ko will cry
go1d [6d\]: g11 
whuang [2k\]: g11
Tendou [6k\]: f10
gogonuts [4d\]: unusual fo rthe center to be so solid that there are almost no threats against it
]
;B[lb]C[ErgoProxy [6d\]: b is so getting punished by the coach later >)
]
;W[bi]C[Rpurmit [9k\]: !!
Remina [4d\]: g11 provides more ko threats than f10 Tendou
GetStrong [1d\]: :s
bensenseii [-\]: hmm
ErgoProxy [6d\]: n3 
go1d [6d\]: so
Ferby [1k?\]: n3 2 small?
gogonuts [4d\]: no playstation tonight?
go1d [6d\]: w wins or not ?
Greyish [1d\]: b probably counted... but weird to let it go now
faceless1 [2k\]: odd not to play b11 as black? 
Blaubaer [6d?\]: hm b won anyway?
ErgoProxy [6d\]: o4 
ipmyangel [?\]: ??
]
;B[ar]
;W[bs]C[go1d [6d\]: w has 
]
;B[fb]C[go1d [6d\]: 104.5
]
;W[am]
;B[an]
;W[cm]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: they are playing too fast
gogonuts [4d\]: w prob over 5
GoBlonde [6k?\]: w like 3 points ahead
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: I lost the track of the moves :(
Ferby [1k?\]: dont ype click :P
SirWolfie [7k\]: they wanna go outside and play!
go1d [6d\]: b has 97 or soemthing like
go1d [6d\]: so w wins
Pinguschaf [?\]: its ok
MrZNF [4d\]: o4 huge no?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: I am sorry :(
minoru19 [2d\]: :/
MrZNF [4d\]: w can save the stone in sente
Pinguschaf [?\]: just tell us the official result :)
dsfbvdfbdf: just copy the board
dsfbvdfbdf: in wrong order
GoBlonde [6k?\]: be quiet guest, dont interrupt
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: they are already counting
Blaubaer [6d?\]: i didnt see the 24 cpts by w
minoru19 [2d\]: no worries EuroGo
minoru19 [2d\]: :)
Jason0v0 [3k\]: B have 4 angle
minoru19 [2d\]: I always lost the track of my own moves :P
Ferby [1k?\]: neh cant be... at the live feed they are with move 80
ErgoProxy [6d\]: the live feed is still in fuseki
dsfbvdfbdf: goblonde i'll report you if you don't stop harrassing
Tendou [6k\]: b have 107 pts
Solourus [12k\]: Was this a handicap game?
GoBlonde [6k?\]: no , even game
GoBlonde [6k?\]: click Optuions / rules
Solourus [12k\]: ok
Imp20 [3k\]: whats the score?
GoBlonde [6k?\]: new zealand rules
minoru19 [2d\]: w+ 4.5?
Redjoker [4d\]: who won?
GoBlonde [6k?\]: wait
dsfbvdfbdf: you can probably replay the moves from the video stream :)
bensenseii [-\]: w won
MrZNF [4d\]: w+.5
MrZNF [4d\]: ftlolz
GoBlonde [6k?\]: they are counting
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: so white won by 5 points (ing rules)
bensenseii [-\]: :)
GoBlonde [6k?\]: thanks EurogoTv
Tendou [6k\]: w have 112
gogonuts [4d\]: thx
Redjoker [4d\]: thx
bensenseii [-\]: thx Harry
Tendou [6k\]: w wins 
clicisclic [10k\]: tx
Blaubaer [6d?\]: thx eurogotv
MrZNF [4d\]: w too stong
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: I am not Harry, but you are welcome :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thank you for watching :)
whuang [2k\]: thx
SaturnYear [4k\]: thnx
blurb1: threatens b4?
Sawako [4k?\]: thx
Tendou [6k\]: oh, I forget komi
Tendou [6k\]: W have 118.5 and black have 107 pts
SirWolfie [7k\]: so wait... the bottom left black group looks kinda dead...
ErgoProxy [6d\]: is black crying?
MarineKing [3d?\]: ko still
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: they left pretty fast
Tendou [6k\]: a4
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no chance to see how black was feeling ... for sure he wasn't crying though :P
SirWolfie [7k\]: I told you who wants to stay inside all day! They wanna go play in Romania!
Bassaris [14k\]: @EuroGoTV1 : why the video is so late ?
Tendou [6k\]: a4 is bad 
blurb1: tx euro
Tendou [6k\]: resign
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: I dont know
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: and Harry was not around here (after I took his place) so I couldn't ask him
Bassaris [14k\]: Thanks for the answer.
Javaness [3d\]: white strong
hockey [2d\]: WOW
hockey [2d\]: so w is not human after all
]
;B[gd]C[Nidalee [-\]: Is the game over?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
Nidalee [-\]: Hate it when pros lose.
Sadaharu [8d\]: who won this game?
Tendou [6k\]: white
namjey2 [10k\]: w korean?
])

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GN[World Youth Championship under 16 board 1 round 4]PW[Kuya Koyama]PB[Cheng-Hsun Chen]WR[6d]BR[7d]DT[2011-08-15]RO[4]PC[Bucharest, Romania]US[HW9x9]
;B[dd]
;W[dp]
;B[qd]
;W[qp]
;B[oq]
;W[kq]
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;W[eq]
;B[fp]
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;W[po]
;B[oo]
;W[qn]
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;B[pk]
;W[qj]
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;B[np]
;W[pp]
;B[pq]
;W[no]
;B[rp]
;W[on]
;B[ro]
;W[qo]
;B[mp]
;W[pj]
;B[mo]
;W[hq]
;B[nm]
;W[qk]
;B[go]
;W[io]
;B[jp]C[mate105 [2d\]: hello eurogotv1
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hi^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
]
;W[jo]
;B[kp]
;W[ip]
;B[jq]C[Djeep [?\]: how old are the players?
]
;W[hm]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: www.wygc2011.com
xevad [-\]: (̅_̅_̅_̅(̅_̅_̅_̅_̅_̅_̅_̅_̅_̅_̅_̅_̅_̅_̅̅_̅()ڪے~ ~
]
;B[iq]C[Djeep [?\]: good idea
]
;W[hp]C[xevad [-\]: I mean.. you guys are going to be here for a while..
xevad [-\]: might as well
Dai10 [8k\]: _\|/_
Dai10 [8k\]: :D
crazytony [3k\]: p7 ?
]
;B[fr]
;W[hr]
;B[gm]C[tieunhan: ?
]
;W[hl]
;B[gl]
;W[hk]
;B[gk]C[xevad [-\]: crazytony what if black plays O8 after p7
crazytony [3k\]: p8 
Djeep [?\]: o9 
]
;W[gj]C[crazytony [3k\]: eh iffy
crazytony [3k\]: maybe not yet
Djeep [?\]: w got 8 points..so small
]
;B[fj]C[Xebo [4d\]: why is the videostream showing an empty board?
]
;W[dk]C[whitetalon [?\]: ghost go
]
;B[cq]C[YellowBell [6d\]: yeah like the hole board is empty
]
;W[cp]
;B[dq]
;W[bq]
;B[ep]
;W[br]C[Djeep [?\]: h10 
]
;B[hj]
;W[gi]
;B[ij]
;W[jk]
;B[jj]
;W[lk]
;B[kk]
;W[kl]
;B[kj]
;W[ll]
;B[dj]
;W[cj]
;B[ek]
;W[ck]
;B[dh]
;W[id]
;B[gc]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black has 51 minutes left white has 33 minutes left
]
;W[gd]
;B[fd]
;W[ge]
;B[hc]
;W[gg]
;B[hd]
;W[if]
;B[kg]
;W[kf]
;B[lf]
;W[ke]
;B[lg]
;W[md]C[turjan [1k?\]: what is b doin ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thinking
]
;B[nk]
;W[mj]
;B[oi]
;W[oj]C[crazytony [3k\]: b huge
crazytony [3k\]: if he gets this
]
;B[nj]
;W[ni]
;B[mi]
;W[nh]
;B[mn]C[crazytony [3k\]: n12 m11 
turjan [1k?\]: all or 0
]
;W[mk]
;B[nl]C[crazytony [3k\]: m11 n12 
crazytony [3k\]: k12 
]
;W[li]
;B[mh]C[crazytony [3k\]: k12 ^^
]
;W[jh]
;B[og]C[turjan [1k?\]: interesting haengma
]
;W[qg]
;B[hh]C[turjan [1k?\]: this move threatens the peace process between w and b groups
crazytony [3k\]: that happened long time ago
crazytony [3k\]: at o10
reprisal [2d\]: and it seemed both sides had set down their arms for all of two moves
]
;W[hi]
;B[ih]C[Bruno [2d\]: w M 12
Bruno [2d\]: i guess
asobo: this game was bad for W from the start
Bruno [2d\]: then K 11
xevad [-\]: asobo only because Cheng-Hsun Chen took black
asobo: well, probably
asobo: but W's opening looked strange in the beginning
asobo: how frequent is L3 (move 6 by W)?
asobo: it seems like it caused all this what is happening right now?
]
;W[jg]
;B[gh]C[turjan [1k?\]: it is frequent in Dosaku games
]
;W[ng]
;B[nf]
;W[oh]
;B[ph]
;W[pi]
;B[mg]
;W[oi]
;B[od]C[xevad [-\]: L3 is normally okay if your intention is to play taisha
]
;W[oe]
;B[ne]
;W[nd]
;B[pe]
;W[oc]
;B[of]
;W[pc]C[xevad [-\]: maybe white assumed black would react accordingly as part of some big plan
Syptryn [3d\]: black is brutal...
]
;B[qh]C[turjan [1k?\]: the game is ending
]
;W[rh]C[asobo: I see, thanks for the answers
Bruno [2d\]: K 7 is dead if white don't kill Q 15 
]
;B[lj]C[asobo: i've seen it usually closer to the P3 stone, so that's why it was surprising
]
;W[ki]
;B[ji]
;W[kh]
;B[hn]C[Syptryn [3d\]: this is madness :P
]
;W[jm]C[largehc [?\]: they are young and rash
Ryori [16k\]: This is Sparta!
Syptryn [3d\]: children can get insanel good at close combat
turjan [1k?\]: b looks less dead
Syptryn [3d\]: white doen't look alive either
sweetbliss: clear-eyed and energetic
Bruno [2d\]: R 17 seems to be vital
]
;B[ik]C[Syptryn [3d\]: hmmm
Bruno [2d\]: tenuki
xevad [-\]: kadai
DOCTOR [5k\]: !!
Syptryn [3d\]: ya, may need to tenuki here
Syptryn [3d\]: but that's painful
Syptryn [3d\]: bagiving up f-11 aji like that
Bruno [2d\]: H 3 is big enough 
Bruno [2d\]: but need R 17 
]
;W[re]
;B[jl]
;W[km]
;B[qc]C[Bruno [2d\]: ?
Bruno [2d\]: wrong direction
Syptryn [3d\]: r-17 doesn't kill
GiacNgo [2d\]: n15
Bruno [2d\]: I bet
turjan [1k?\]: i think both crazy
sweetbliss: maybe one or both read well
Syptryn [3d\]: black has a lot of forcing moves  with q-13 etc...
Syptryn [3d\]: can get 2 eyes
Bruno [2d\]: :)
wingnoll [6k?\]: l7 status?
Syptryn [3d\]: but this way, black has way longer liberties...
Syptryn [3d\]: l-7 is dead unless n-12 dies
Syptryn [3d\]: game with end in resign for some1
]
;W[me]
;B[mf]C[Syptryn [3d\]: I feel like it'll be whtie though
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Syptryn [3d\]: hmm actuall not sure, lol
high5 [1d\]: this smells a final ko
Bruno [2d\]: something stink 
Syptryn [3d\]: thought for white to kill this corner...
qop [14k?\]: wow, these really are kids!
high5 [1d\]: r15 maybe
sweetbliss: what r the time controls
largehc [?\]: that's what makes it awesome
Goreon [2d\]:  I guess r18 
xevad [-\]: too many liberties
]
;W[pd]
;B[qe]
;W[rf]C[Bruno [2d\]: R 17 was better to keep b in control ... 
Syptryn [3d\]: unfortunately black lvies outirhgt with r-17
Syptryn [3d\]: looks to be a ko?
sweetbliss: but if b really read that he could kill w...
high5 [1d\]: "final ko"
turjan [1k?\]: just 4 more and good
Syptryn [3d\]: these kids are as good at reading as pros... they just like the finesse
Syptryn [3d\]: is actually fights, these kids are deadly
xevad [-\]: hard..
]
;B[nc]C[Bruno [2d\]: I think w ??
qop [14k?\]: lack*
Bruno [2d\]: bloody move 
xevad [-\]: Chen.. so fierce
turjan [1k?\]: is a good move
Nidalee [-\]: w 11 libs, b just needs to get more
]
;W[nb]
;B[mc]
;W[oe]C[turjan [1k?\]: big problem
]
;B[do]C[Syptryn [3d\]: thmm
Syptryn [3d\]: ignote?
]
;W[co]C[hamsturinn [13k\]: ignore 
hamsturinn [13k\]: ?
]
;B[od]
;W[lc]
;B[mb]C[Syptryn [3d\]: well left is huge too...
]
;W[oe]C[Syptryn [3d\]: now ignore all :)
]
;B[jn]C[hamsturinn [13k\]: k6?
Syptryn [3d\]: well can't ignore k-6
Syptryn [3d\]: y
hamsturinn [13k\]: loll
Bruno [2d\]: ignore that?
Syptryn [3d\]: can't
Syptryn [3d\]: :P
Bruno [2d\]: haha
Syptryn [3d\]: ignore = lose everuthing :)
]
;W[ko]
;B[od]C[Syptryn [3d\]: tough for white
xevad [-\]: ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ஜ۩۞۩ஜ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ KO!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 2 points penalty for white 
Bruno [2d\]: O 6
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
turjan [1k?\]: why ??
Bruno [2d\]: O 6 kick butt 
Djeep [?\]: seriously penalty?
turjan [1k?\]: what happenedn ?
ikewa [8k\]: byo yummi period
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ing rules..
turjan [1k?\]: oh no
sweetbliss: 2pts. 4 what?
Djeep [?\]: what was penalty for?
xevad [-\]: negative points for running out of time
reprisal [2d\]: hey its better than just losing
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 3 times 10 minutes for each time 2 points penalty
Bruno [2d\]: nevermind 
reprisal [2d\]: ing rules are actually pretty forgiving
reprisal [2d\]: don't think of it as a penalty
reprisal [2d\]: think of it as buying extra time
Bruno [2d\]: is not too much in comparition with what his losing
Djeep [?\]: ah weird never played those rules
Syptryn [3d\]: hmmmm
Syptryn [3d\]: n-7 is too small to be satsifactory I think
sweetbliss: like they used to have in American football
Syptryn [3d\]: but lack has mroe thrat anyway
Bruno [2d\]: living in shame with m 4 
Syptryn [3d\]: ya
Syptryn [3d\]: huge loss top though
xevad [-\]: 2 points in exchange for more time sounds pretty reasonable
Syptryn [3d\]: white cannot possible get enough pts
sweetbliss: a real bargain!
qop [14k?\]: until you lose by 1.5
ikewa [8k\]: m4 m3
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;W[ob]
;B[lb]C[turjan [1k?\]: it's so arbitrary
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;W[oe]
;B[kc]C[ikewa [8k\]: ?
reprisal [2d\]: it is, but so are the time limits to begin with
Syptryn [3d\]: all or nothing now...
sweetbliss: likelihood of close result is small 4 this game
]
;W[le]C[turjan [1k?\]: w is resigning
]
;B[od]C[qop [14k?\]: so is time, in general
reprisal [2d\]: *insert rant about how we should use fischer time here*
Syptryn [3d\]: r18 
Bruno [2d\]: R 18 now?
Syptryn [3d\]: ya
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;W[qb]C[turjan [1k?\]: no use rant in here
Syptryn [3d\]: and then s-19 
Syptryn [3d\]:  then retake ko
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;B[rb]
;W[ra]C[Bruno [2d\]: sweet
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;B[pa]C[hamsturinn [13k\]: lol
turjan [1k?\]: u think black will make peace ?
DOCTOR [5k\]: q16!?
hamsturinn [13k\]: why not t18?
Syptryn [3d\]: black will have 2 more threats at l6 area though
hamsturinn [13k\]: it would have worked w
turjan [1k?\]: this is tesuji
Syptryn [3d\]: just connect
Syptryn [3d\]: welll..
Syptryn [3d\]: hmm
Syptryn [3d\]: since it'll be ko anyway
Bruno [2d\]: S 17? 
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;W[oe]C[hamsturinn [13k\]: t18 if white q19 then o19?
hamsturinn [13k\]: ahh nvm
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;B[kn]C[ikewa [8k\]: q18
Bruno [2d\]: its like watch in a movie the mang who hang over a big building trying to kill other man with his other hands 
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;W[in]
;B[od]
;W[pb]C[Bruno [2d\]: :P
Syptryn [3d\]: black has 1 more threat...
RyuuGan [2d\]: lol Bruno
turjan [1k?\]: i couldn't really vizualize the scene
Syptryn [3d\]: white has no more I think...
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;B[rc]C[turjan [1k?\]: w has the bomber
horstmaria [3d\]: l18 w threat
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;W[oe]C[Djeep [?\]: l18 
Tabemasu [-\]: w has l18
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;B[ln]
;W[im]C[hamsturinn [13k\]: r19?
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;B[od]C[hamsturinn [13k\]: nvm
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;W[kb]
;B[jb]C[turjan [1k?\]: 2nd bomber for w actually
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;W[oe]C[Syptryn [3d\]: oh forgot about l18
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;B[cm]
;W[od]
;B[dm]C[turjan [1k?\]: lol !!
Bruno [2d\]: 2 people taking theyr necks close to the open door of the flying airplaine? 
Solourus [11k\]: wow
turjan [1k?\]: this is great
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;W[bn]
;B[bm]C[xevad [-\]: success
Solourus [11k\]: how did the game end  up like this
Syptryn [3d\]: white might have chance now?
davideo [3k\]: soo..... whos dead?
davideo [3k\]: white or black
turjan [1k?\]: w has good chance
Solourus [11k\]: white
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;W[cd]C[Bruno [2d\]: black felt down from the airplaine 
Solourus [11k\]: is in a wired spot
turjan [1k?\]: yes
turjan [1k?\]: invade now
turjan [1k?\]: there is aji
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;B[ce]C[Syptryn [3d\]: woa Japan might win this tourney for once
]
;W[dc]C[Syptryn [3d\]: Japan hasn't won any international stuff for ages, hoepfully this means they'll have a resurgence in enw generation
turjan [1k?\]: japan is in good form
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: I think Japan has never won wygc 
xDragon [-\]: didnt they win one recently
Solourus [11k\]: wish i could re-wind this game
Solourus [11k\]: to see how it got here
budbud [15k\]: view it off line
qop [14k?\]: solo, clone it
SteveDC [9k\]: just 'view offline'
davideo [3k\]: it looks like black is dead...
Solourus [11k\]: oh yea
turjan [1k?\]: some guy beat yi se tol & gu li
Syptryn [3d\]: certainly they're WAGC results in the last decade has been very bad...
Solourus [11k\]: thanks
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: well,Japan was lucky against Poland 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: very lucky
davideo [3k\]: black is dead right?????????
xDragon [-\]: japan lost to norway in this years wagc
turjan [1k?\]: cool
turjan [1k?\]: norway rulz
turjan [1k?\]: and black is dead
noblenavel: what's w'sime situation?
turjan [1k?\]: :)
Solourus [11k\]: yea
noblenavel: time
Solourus [11k\]: look like black is ffued
turjan [1k?\]: what a great kill
mate105 [2d\]: white might be able to lose on time right?
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;B[cc]
;W[bd]C[turjan [1k?\]: not really
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;B[be]C[turjan [1k?\]: this is joseki
SteveDC [9k\]: lol, endgame joseki?
Solourus [11k\]: i dont belive in joseki :P
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;W[bc]C[turjan [1k?\]: endgame didn't start yet
noblenavel: joseki? r u mad ?
Bruno [2d\]: that is a 11k comment my friend 
SteveDC [9k\]: no but pretty late for joseki
turjan [1k?\]: it's a middle game joseki
Solourus [11k\]: indeed
koticgood [4k\]: does anyone know what amateur ranking system they use? and if 7d is the max?
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;B[cb]C[noblenavel: b out 2kill
xevad [-\]: enclosure invasion joseki
davideo [3k\]: any 9 kyu wanna play me in an even game
turjan [1k?\]: why
Solourus [11k\]: Then again I still know the 3-3 invasion joseki :/
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;W[de]
;B[ed]
;W[cf]C[qop [14k?\]: is this international beat up a noob day?
turjan [1k?\]: if so it's cool but
Ryori [16k\]: I would play....
Nation [4k\]: is there a  live streaming for this?
Syptryn [3d\]: black can't let a single white stone win here
Ryori [16k\]: but I wont
turjan [1k?\]: we get to beat up noob every day, no ?
Syptryn [3d\]: err live
Solourus [11k\]: I actualy prefer normal games to handicap games...
Solourus [11k\]: i do worse with a handicap than without one ><
Ryori [16k\]: same
qop [14k?\]: handi games are normal
Nation [4k\]: so no live broadcast?
turjan [1k?\]: handi go is hilarious
Djeep [?\]: b res here..cant kill w
loveisgone [6d\]: where is black from
Tabemasu [-\]: taiwan
Ceram: @Nation: I think there is. Scroll up, they gave the link
hamsturinn [13k\]: how does white follow? after b14?
turjan [1k?\]: "handi games are normal" lolooool i'm gonna quote that one
SteveDC [9k\]: what i meant was that at this time joseki wouldn't be good for black, so it cannot be joseki by definition
loveisgone [6d\]: ah, makes sense then
xevad [-\]: I know some people are under the impression that joseki are only played in the opening..
xevad [-\]: "Joseki are generally agreed-upon sequences of play resulting in what is considered a fair outcome for both players. "
Syptryn [3d\]: youth go is really gettinq uite strong
Nation [4k\]: @Ceram I already scrolled up,   didnt see a link
Djeep [?\]: b14 b13 c13 a14 d14 a15 e15 d18 
Syptryn [3d\]: for reference
Syptryn [3d\]: the Singapore rep
loveisgone [6d\]: thought japan is beating china for a sec there
Ceram: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
Syptryn [3d\]: Kwa Jie Hui is GodofGO
Nation [4k\]: ty
Syptryn [3d\]: on KGS
Ceram: I still had it copied :)
Syptryn [3d\]: at 6d
justdidit [1d\]: look in other games, shpuld be less flood
Tabemasu [-\]: china lost to taiwan
Syptryn [3d\]: and he's 4th to last...
Tabemasu [-\]: haha
turjan [1k?\]: well the outcome is not fair, but it's still classic
Ceram: You need to register though, I was too lazy to do that
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Djeep [?\]: freind of mine studying in korea..he's 4d kgs and even the 8 yr olds are stronger than him
Ceram: And I got the wrong link apparently >.>
xevad [-\]: it depends on the situation of course turjan
Syptryn [3d\]: in CHina, the strongest players are usually 10-12 year olds
davideo [3k\]: white looks dead here....
davideo [3k\]: in the corner
Syptryn [3d\]: after 12, kids either choose to go pro, or stop studying full time cause of school
SteveDC [9k\]: i know what you meant turjan, just found it funny
koticgood [4k\]: yeah, pattern recognition is what it's about, not intelligence, easier to learn for kids i think
xevad [-\]: as a 1k you know that playing a joseki in the wrong situation can end in a result that is superior for one player
justdidit [1d\]: Gu Li is not 12 years old
Syptryn [3d\]: No, what I mean is if u look at the average go player
Bruno [2d\]: traumatic comment: - boys of 8 are 7 dan in China 
turjan [1k?\]: yes
Solourus [11k\]: Go is mostl about memory, spatial proccessing with a smidgin of intuition
loveisgone [6d\]: not true that 10-12 is strongest
Syptryn [3d\]: cause at 12 they usually decided whether they will try to turn pro, or take go as hobby
justdidit [1d\]: Strongest are 6 dan, they are kids and adults too. I know more adults
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w is alive there
loveisgone [6d\]: its just the average age for becoming pro nowadays
Syptryn [3d\]: if as they choose to take go as a hobby, they practice far less
Syptryn [3d\]: so on average, a 6d 12 year old is far stronger than a 6d 20 year old
Syptryn [3d\]: cause the 20 year old was probably 6d when he was 12, and didn't really play seriously for 8 years
justdidit [1d\]: ?
xevad [-\]: Syptryn well can't argue with that..
justdidit [1d\]: which average?
Bruno [2d\]: trauma 
justdidit [1d\]: i dont share it from my own exp.
turjan [1k?\]: he's just trying to troll
Tictactoe [-\]: this match is japan versus taiwan
xevad [-\]: Chinese go playing children average
justdidit [1d\]: China go playing chidren is far away from 6d
Tictactoe [-\]: so what you all talk about bukina fasso 
turjan [1k?\]: it's not so easy to kill this w in large scale
justdidit [1d\]: only a very few are so strong
Syptryn [3d\]: of course
Nation [4k\]: imagine if it was korea vs china......this would be a massacre
Syptryn [3d\]: what I mean is kids at 12 either decided to try get pro, or not train seriously
xevad [-\]: my apologies when I think of children I think of the ones in go schools
Syptryn [3d\]: its like a decision point
Djeep [?\]: kids dont decide..parents do
Syptryn [3d\]: yeah true
xevad [-\]: the ones who obviously have an advantage
Nation [4k\]: lol, wish my mom had decided to make me play Go
justdidit [1d\]: i would say if you take the youth championships you have a big quantity of 3d, like 505 maybe
justforre: in the end the kid have to pass.. so its their will in the end
justdidit [1d\]: 50%
Syptryn [3d\]: anyway back to game
justdidit [1d\]: after less and less
Bruno [2d\]: Nation, you would be bored 
Syptryn [3d\]: thought for black here...
Nation [4k\]: eh, No
Pinguschaf [?\]: this game is amazing
Nation [4k\]: I absolutely love Go
Djeep [?\]: this game is over
Syptryn [3d\]: d14 seems only option
turjan [1k?\]: sure
Syptryn [3d\]: b14 b13 and white links up
Pinguschaf [?\]: they fight like crazy and yet the results are quite balanced
Syptryn [3d\]: and lives
justdidit [1d\]: what is interessing in china is : if you get 5d you get some advantage to join the best unis. it is why china is so strong
Pinguschaf [?\]: but seems like w is gaining the upper hand now
turjan [1k?\]: D14 is w sente
Djeep [?\]: w lives in corner
turjan [1k?\]: then easy for w
Syptryn [3d\]: +10 pts on your final uni entrance exams for 5d I think
Pinguschaf [?\]: b needs to find something really great there
justdidit [1d\]: yes
Syptryn [3d\]: + 30 for 6d? not sure
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;B[df]
;W[bf]C[turjan [1k?\]: only move
]
;B[ee]C[Tictactoe [-\]: so this match is taiwan versus japan
]
;W[ae]
;B[bb]C[justdidit [1d\]: so that makes sometimes 5d diploma a little fake too
xevad [-\]: Chinese 3d used to be easy kgs 6d
Pinguschaf [?\]: c12 or b12?
Tictactoe [-\]: and this match is taiwan versus japan
Syptryn [3d\]: depends whether they're 8 year old 3d or 20 year old 3d :)
]
;W[bh]C[Nation [4k\]: taiwan is in china....
justdidit [1d\]: and that makes a big jump to 6d. chinese 6d are really strong
]
;B[de]
;W[bl]
;B[am]C[Syptryn [3d\]: 8 year old 3d will be about KGS 6d, 20 year 3d maybe KGS 2d
Djeep [?\]: a11 
Tictactoe [-\]: no nation you make the most stupid statement there
Djeep [?\]: a11 bad
Tictactoe [-\]: go back to shool and learn geografy
Syptryn [3d\]: white looks alive to me...
]
;W[al]C[xevad [-\]: I believe kghin is HK 6d
barakameek [4k\]: try telling the taiwan people they are part of china..i think they missed that memo
Nation [4k\]: lol, How about I have no interest in geography
blob [5k\]: china is in taiwan :p
turjan [1k?\]: seems the 3 points were worht it
Syptryn [3d\]: stick to go topics please
xevad [-\]: but I might be wrong
justdidit [1d\]: Taiwan has much better diplomacy with China, no use to argue something here on this subject.
Blitzbold [1d\]: kghin playing in this tournament?
turjan [1k?\]: w ressurect
Tictactoe [-\]: so now we talk about players in senegal?
xDragon [-\]: bold no
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black resigns
Syptryn [3d\]: Hong Kong didn't get to send reps did it?
xDragon [-\]: kghin is in hong kong
Tictactoe [-\]: this maych is tokyo versus taipei
turjan [1k?\]: black did gain 0 in ko
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+r
Nation [4k\]: Really? why does it matter again?
turjan [1k?\]: yay
turjan [1k?\]: cool game
Syptryn [3d\]: pity Hong Kong as not reps
Bruno [2d\]: awesome
Syptryn [3d\]: Oceania niether :(
xevad [-\]: Chen is really strong for an amateur player
justdidit [1d\]: hong Kong changed a lot, just because China is more easy to go inside as before.
justdidit [1d\]: so many players moved
Syptryn [3d\]: they should give some quotas to Hong Kong, other Asia countries, as well as OCeania...
Syptryn [3d\]: for WYGC
joenosai [5k\]: w wins this one?
Syptryn [3d\]: yes
xevad [-\]: too bad he doesn't have a kgs account
joenosai [5k\]: nice
xevad [-\]: he would be 9d for sure
Syptryn [3d\]: ya
Syptryn [3d\]: so China vs Jap
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: White won by resign 
Bruno [2d\]: he might be a strong insei then 
Syptryn [3d\]: in the last match
Syptryn [3d\]: should be interesting
Syptryn [3d\]: White was lucky this game though
Syptryn [3d\]: the fight at the ko coulda gone 50/50
xevad [-\]: white did a good job of living on the side
blob [5k\]: 小山, a name to remember
xevad [-\]: blob are you sure it is written that way?
Syptryn [3d\]: Joanne Missingham is 16+ now right?
blob [5k\]: like 90% sure guess
Syptryn [3d\]: so she can't enter this
justdidit [1d\]: yes syptryn
Syptryn [3d\]: ANyone know how singapore went?
Syptryn [3d\]: EUrogotv?
xevad [-\]: for the people that don't know
xevad [-\]: Kuya Koyama is ranked #9 in Class A of Japanese Insei
xevad [-\]: for August ranking
Syptryn [3d\]: are there top 8 all over 16?
justdidit [1d\]: winning this championship could earn him pro status maybe
Syptryn [3d\]: lets see how he fairs vs china 2p
Syptryn [3d\]: next round
xevad [-\]: #1 is Yosuke Fujimura
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